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Old 07-12-2018, 12:56 PM #101
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if aj were to fight on terrestrial tv in the uk more than 10 million would watch each fight same as with the klitschko fights in germany. Wilder is a loudmouth, totally tattooed and therefore not everybodyís darling and thatís why nobody cares about him and his fights.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:57 PM #102
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:59 PM #103
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but that's not the point of the post, now is it? Just so we're clear, and for your understanding, this is the point i am making:

wilder and his team need to respond to the contract professionally and officially with a signature, a counter-offer, or with proper comments for the april 2019 fight. Otherwise, they cannot claim that they are doing all they can to make this fight.

anything else from you is just posturing and fanboyism.
wilder declined the contract! Do you understand that? They already offered 50mil and it wasnt entertained. What exactly do you want him to do? If hearn wanted this fight next then as the a side he would have simply negotiated a decent percentage from the start and we wouldnt be here talking about this
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:03 PM #104
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it's not 'the future'. It's the fight after next. in wilder's case, it will be after a tuneup. No different than kovalev-ward 1, which was signed even though ward had a tuneup and kovalev had chilemba.

The reason you don't sign for a fight in the future is because you think your ability to generate revenue will increase between today and the fight date. For example, if wilder went out and beat klitchko or fury between today and april, his reputation increases. However, neither one of those fights are available, and no other fight will result in an increase in his reputation.

Between today and april, his reputation will either maintain status quo or take a hit. If he loses to breazeale, his moneymaking ability goes down the crap. If he has some sort of an issue with the law, or peds, anything like that, his rep goes down. It's in his best interest to sign for the joshua fight as soon as possible. The same mostly goes for joshua. His rep may get a modest increase after another wembley fight, but in general there are mo risks involved for him. He can lose to povetkin, he can have a run in with the law, or get busted for peds.
again, sir.... There is no need for wilder to lock himself into a future contract. They rejected the offer after they found out it wasnt next. This fight is bigger than ward kov and its hw boxing... Its not for a future but its for a fight after next???????? Isnt that the future
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:13 PM #105
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You Wilder fans have to stop with the $50 million talk.

You canít moan about specifics in Hearnís contract being the reason Wilder didnít sign, and then turn around and state AJ should have signed a deal for $50 million that had NO DETAILS AT ALL.

You canít have it both ways.

Anyway, Finkel admitting here he didnít sign and blaming it on Hearn from what I can see. He had the contract in front of him, and now heís whining about it and even going down the conspiracy route.

Should have just got it done, canít turn back now and say Ďwe didnít do this/that because of xí. Bottom line is, you didnít.
I understand as a fan of AJ you feel you must take everything Hearn says as the truth, even if he clearly revised it later to fit his narrative, however, Hearn is on record saying all of his questions were being answered and there it was 70% likely AJ would be signing. So thats reality, and the revisions Hearn later made, were purely for those who weren't paying attention, or had already made up their minds.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:17 PM #106
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I understand as a fan of AJ you feel you must take everything Hearn says as the truth, even if he clearly revised it later to fit his narrative, however, Hearn is on record saying all of his questions were being answered and there it was 70% likely AJ would be signing. So thats reality, and the revisions Hearn later made, were purely for those who weren't paying attention, or had already made up their minds.
While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.

Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.

If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.

"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.

"If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first."

Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:20 PM #107
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again, sir.... There is no need for wilder to lock himself into a future contract. They rejected the offer after they found out it wasnt next. This fight is bigger than ward kov and its hw boxing... Its not for a future but its for a fight after next???????? Isnt that the future
You know, it's pretty funny that you find your self having this argument, when AJ fanagers said Wilder was ducking Whyte because he wanted a guarantee that AJ would be the next fight. They said that was impossible, now he's ducking AJ because he won't sign to fight AJ in a future fight after his next fight. Lmao you really can't win with people like that.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:29 PM #108
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if the contract was for a fight next then id agree, but locking yourself into a future contract when both fighters have upcoming fights makes no sense. what if aj oses or gets knocked down 5x. what if wilder fights n beats fury next then it changes a lot but hed be locked in to that contract. we understand ur pro aj and hearn but come on man
The contract Hearn sent was for a fight this year.

The WBA wouldn't have delayed a mando that was first ordered in April this year so Hearn could negotiate a unification for April next year. What kind of sense would that have made?

The offer changed to a fight in April 2019 after the WBA called time and ordered AJ to fight Povetkin next.

That's not difficult to understand. It beats me why so many Wilder fans seem unable to get their heads round it.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:30 PM #109
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first of all, they ALREADY agreed to the flat terms. if you suddenly don't like it anymore, fine. send an official response or counter. continue the discussion until the fight is signed.
Otherwise, don't say out in public that you are, or have been trying to do everything it takes to make the fight happen.

based on your two replies to me, i'd say you are the one who probably needs to pay better attention.
wow you are "special" smh the flat fee terms they agreed to also was supposed to have a REMATCH CLAUSE FOR BOTH FIGHTERS AND WAS FOR A FIGHT SOMETIME IN 2018 not 2019. Thats the whole point of my post. the Flat fee would not be sufficient enough because the fight will be worth more later on. What are you not understanding? your response leads me to believe you are just a idiot fanboy who is in denial and won't take the facts if they kicked you in the face.

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Old 07-12-2018, 01:31 PM #110
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People are moaning about the specifics in Hearn's contract because he conveniently left out any language guaranteeing the fight would be next, even though the agreed upon terms were that the fight would be next. You agree in principle to the major terms and then you go to contract. Hearn pulled a switcheroo at the end.

Whereas with the 50 million offer, which was a term sheet with plenty of details. That there would be no interim fight. That there would be no rematch clause. Which months the fight had to take place in. Who would pick the location. Etc. You don't send a contract when the term sheet has been rejected.

Wilder made an offer and AJ turned it down. That's why a contract was never sent. AJ made an offer and Wilder accepted. That's why a contract was sent. The contract wasn't in the spirit of what was agreed to, so the contract was rejected. Very simple.
Nobody has said the contract was rejected and certainly Finkel doesnít say that here.

But the $50 million offer keeps coming up, out of the mouths of Wilder fans as if that was some kind of missed opportunity, completely ignoring the fact that theyíve been negotiating terms since that time and have been unable- for whatever reason- to get the fight done.

The $50 million Ďofferí is totally irrelevant, and Wilder fans need to stop hiding behind it.
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