Why hasn't Deontay Wilder faced the following boxers in his pro career so far?

[VatoMulatto]

Because Wilder wasn't ready. Wilder was still fighting 8 round fights against C-level fighters after 27 fights.

[Est. Since 85']

Do you remember the blow back when Breazele was mentioned as a possible opponent last year? I do and everyone and there mother shytted on even the idea of that fight. And Chisora lol come on man what has he ever done? Tyson Fury hasn’t fought since he won the title so I don’t see how he could’ve landed that fight. And Hughie Fury lol I say again come on man. As far as the Klitschko brothers go they are the stars with all the draw so maybe you should be asking them why they never went after Wilder. Jennings is with TR so you know the politics behind that. Maybe Wilder could’ve fought Haye but Haye makes a lot of money fighting bums so why would Haye want to fight Wilder? The rest of the guys you named are on the same level of the guys Wilder has fought.

Spot on! Wilder gotta raise his profile tho, otherwise why would Joshua, or any other money making heavys jump to fight him.

[boliodogs]

Wilder or whoever chooses who he fights has been a cherry picker avoiding the better fighters for the most part. He has defended his title against guys most fans never heard of who certainly were not among the 10 best or even the 20 best heavyweights in the world. He is set to fight Ortiz who is a worthy challenger and probably a top 5 heavyweight. It's about time.

['b']

Tyson Fury was on a mission to get Wlad's belts, then he went on a drug binge and left the game.

Hughie Fury got a LUCKY win over Fred Kassi (his biggest test at the time), he basically headbutted the guy and the fight got stopped and Hughie won on points from the previous rounds. This was pretty controversial as the headbutt was intentional in some people's eyes and Hughie was gassing badly and Kassi was smacking him around the ring, Hughie was gonna get stopped, no doubt in my mind.

What made it really ****ed up though was the ref told Hughie in his corner that he is up on points and so if he chooses not to continue he will win - so of course he chose not to continue. Then Hughie had a long layoff (was this because of the drug case or pimple-puss illness) and got ashot at Parker and we all know what happened there.

It is a legitimate question though why a guy with 40 fights hasn't beaten more names, let's hope Ortiz is the start of something new (provided Wilder gets the win)

[Outwest Exp 355]

Spot on! Wilder gotta raise his profile tho, otherwise why would Joshua, or any other money making heavys jump to fight him.

Wilder is raising his profile.

[JRB123]

In no PARTICULAR order:

1) Kubrat Pulev

2) Bryant Jennings

3) Wladimir Klitschko

4) Vitali Klitschko

5) Mariusz Wach

6) Jarrell Miller

7) Carlos Takam

8) Dillian Whyte

9) Dominic Brezeale

10) Andy Ruiz Jr

11) Tyson Fury

12) Hughie Fury

13) David Haye

14) Dereck Chisora

On multiple occasions I have brought up the resume of Wilder and how there was only one top ten opponent on it in 39 fights. Most of the people on your list have been either champions or ranked within the top 5 in the WBC rankings, specifically Pulev and Takam. He could have built his profile by fighting and beating these guys but either he or his management (or both) did not want those fights to happen.

What's crazy is that I thought about someone else who gets a lot of flack by boxing fans: Adonis Stevenson. People say that he is holding the WBC light heavyweight belt hostage but if you look at who he has fought his resume runs circles around Wilder's and he's about to face another good fighter in Badou Jack.

At least on March 3rd, Wilder will have someone highly ranked on his resume for the second time in his professional career.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Do you remember the blow back when Breazele was mentioned as a possible opponent last year? I do and everyone and there mother shytted on even the idea of that fight. And Chisora lol come on man what has he ever done? Tyson Fury hasn’t fought since he won the title so I don’t see how he could’ve landed that fight. And Hughie Fury lol I say again come on man. As far as the Klitschko brothers go they are the stars with all the draw so maybe you should be asking them why they never went after Wilder. Jennings is with TR so you know the politics behind that. Maybe Wilder could’ve fought Haye but Haye makes a lot of money fighting bums so why would Haye want to fight Wilder? The rest of the guys you named are on the same level of the guys Wilder has fought.

This isn't about nonobjective criticism. This is about objective criticism. Some individuals (who are haters anyway) will find a reason to complain and criticize either way, irrespective of what a boxer does. It doesn't necessarily mean they will have an objective reason to base their criticism on. Thus, beating someone like Dominic Brezeale is OBJECTIVELY a good quality win, irrespective of what anybody says.

And Dereck Chisora has a SOLID chin and punch resistance. He has only ever been knocked out once, which was by a devastating prime David Haye's punching power. So if Deontay Wilder REALLY wanted to prove his punching and knockout power was as good as he and some of his fans like to claim it is, then he would be challenging his punching power against the toughest and most durable opponents. Rather than less durable and weaker boxers.

As it stands, David Haye's power has been more proven at a higher level than Wilder's. And Haye's KO win over Chisora is more impressive than any of Wilder's knockouts.

Alexander Povetkin has also been challenging his knockout power against tougher and more durable opponents. Such as Carlos Takam, Mike Perez, Manuel Charr and etc. Thus, he has also knocked out more durable / tougher opponents than Deontay Wilder has and his knockout power is more proven against the toughest / most durable opponents compared to Deontay Wilder's.

And Deontay Wilder has had enough time to fight the Fury's for a very long time, long before they became unavailable.

And Wladimir Klitschko was the lineal champion with most titles. It's Wilder's duty as a champion to seek after the BEST boxer in his weight division if he really wanted to be the BEST himself. The fact that he didn't chase after Wladimir Klitschko is evidence that he didn't want to prove himself as the BEST heavyweight in the world.

You could claim: "The rest of the guys you named are on the same level of the guys Wilder has fought."

Well, why doesn't Deontay Wilder face more of those boxers at that level, rather than stepping down in level of competition to face inferior boxers? It's better to face 10 high quality boxers, rather than facing 2 or 3 of them(which is what Wilder has done)?

And also, it's debatable if any of Wilder's opponents are better than some of the boxers I listed. Such as Kubrat Pulev, Carlos Takam and Jarrell Miller.

Also, you really can't use an excuse as to why Wilder hasn't faced none of the boxers I listed. You maybe able to make an excuse for 2 or 3 opponents for specific excusable reasons (drug test failures) but the fact that he has faced none of those high quality boxers is something that is inexcusable.

What excuse does he have for fighting someone like Malik Scott, Nicolai Firtha and Jason Gavern but not someone like Carlos Takam, Kubrat Pulev or Jarrell Miller? Exactly! None!

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This isn't about nonobjective criticism. This is about objective criticism. Some individuals (who are haters anyway) will find a reason to complain and criticize either way, irrespective of what a boxer does. It doesn't necessarily mean they will have an objective reason to base their criticism on. Thus, beating someone like Dominic Brezeale is OBJECTIVELY a good quality win, irrespective of what anybody says.

And Dereck Chisora has a SOLID chin and punch resistance. He has only ever been knocked out once, which was by a devastating prime David Haye's punching power. So if Deontay Wilder REALLY wanted to prove his punching and knockout power was as good as he and some of his fans like to claim it is, then he would be challenging his punching power against the toughest and most durable opponents. Rather than less durable and weaker boxers.

As it stands, David Haye's power has been more proven at a higher level than Wilder's. And Haye's KO win over Chisora is more impressive than any of Wilder's knockouts.

Alexander Povetkin has also been challenging his knockout power against tougher and more durable opponents. Such as Carlos Takam, Mike Perez, Manuel Charr and etc. Thus, he has also knocked out more durable / tougher opponents than Deontay Wilder has and his knockout power is more proven against the toughest / most durable opponents compared to Deontay Wilder's.

And Deontay Wilder has had enough time to fight the Fury's for a very long time, long before they became unavailable.

And Wladimir Klitschko was the lineal champion with most titles. It's Wilder's duty as a champion to seek after the BEST boxer in his weight division if he really wanted to be the BEST himself. The fact that he didn't chase after Wladimir Klitschko is evidence that he didn't want to prove himself as the BEST heavyweight in the world.

You could claim: "The rest of the guys you named are on the same level of the guys Wilder has fought."

Well, why doesn't Deontay Wilder face more of those boxers at that level, rather than stepping down in level of competition to face inferior boxers? It's better to face 10 high quality boxers, rather than facing 2 or 3 of them(which is what Wilder has done)?

And also, it's debatable if any of Wilder's opponents are better than some of the boxers I listed. Such as Kubrat Pulev, Carlos Takam and Jarrell Miller.

Also, you really can't use an excuse as to why Wilder hasn't faced none of the boxers I listed. You maybe able to make an excuse for 2 or 3 opponents for specific excusable reasons (drug test failures) but the fact that he has faced none of those high quality boxers is something that is inexcusable.

What excuse does he have for fighting someone like Malik Scott, Nicolai Firtha and Jason Gavern but not someone like Carlos Takam, Kubrat Pulev or Jarrell Miller? Exactly! None!

6 months ago no one knew who big baby Miller was. And what makes Breazele such a quality win? He was completely dominated and shut out by AJ. He was getting destroyed by the African guy before he gassed out. There’s nothing in his game that screams top level unless you count punching bag as a skill. Mike Perez has not been the same fighter since he almost killed that Russian guy.

And why is the onus on one side to make the fight? Wlad, Haye, and the others are the bigger name stars in the division. How come the burden lands on Deontay and not them? Nobody knows who Deontay is remember. He calls out AJ it’s his fault the fight doesn’t get made. He doesn’t call out these other guys it’s his fault the fight doesn’t get made. So basically he’s in a no win situation.

[Mr Objecitivity]

6 months ago no one knew who big baby Miller was. And what makes Breazele such a quality win? He was completely dominated and shut out by AJ. He was getting destroyed by the African guy before he gassed out. There’s nothing in his game that screams top level unless you count punching bag as a skill. Mike Perez has not been the same fighter since he almost killed that Russian guy.

And why is the onus on one side to make the fight? Wlad, Haye, and the others are the bigger name stars in the division. How come the burden lands on Deontay and not them? Nobody knows who Deontay is remember. He calls out AJ it’s his fault the fight doesn’t get made. He doesn’t call out these other guys it’s his fault the fight doesn’t get made. So basically he’s in a no win situation.

You're committing a 'RED HERRING' logical fallacy. The popularity of a boxer is totally independent of the quality of a boxer. A boxer can be totally unknown for all I care, but that doesn't mean that boxer doesn't have quality. Likewise, a boxer can be as popular as James Bond (Connor McGregor), that doesn't mean that boxer has much quality.

And how much quality a boxer has, does not depend on their popularity, but their record. Their win / loss ratio out of their career record. And all of their opponent's sum win:loss ratio out of their record. And their own KO percentage.

Jarrell Miller may have not been that popular. But nor were Malik Scott, Nicolai Firtha and Siarrhei Liakovich. However, Jarrell Miller, unlike those other 3 unpopular boxers I mentioned, is of a higher quality with a much better record. Thus, Deontay Wilder still chose to face relatively unpopular boxers who were of a lower quality whilst avoided a bout against a similarly unpopular opponent who is of a higher quality.

What makes Brezeale a quality win for Anthony Joshua? His heavyweight record! He was undefeated, with a KO percentage over 80%. The fact that he looked bad against Anthony Joshua is a testament to how good Joshua is, not how bad Brezeale himself is. Since Brezeale never looked as bad in any other bout against any other opponent.

And the reason why the onus is on Deontay Wilder to make fights against the likes of David Haye and Wladimir Klitschko is because Wilder is the one who is FAR less proven whilst those other boxers are far more proven.

Wladimir Klitschko has already defeated multiple opponents at the caliber of Deontay Wilder and has cemented himself as an all time great with one of the greatest heavyweight records of all time. On the other hand, Deontay Wilder has NEVER EVER defeated any boxer at the caliber of Wladimir Klitschko. Thus, Wladimir Klitschko doesn't have to prove anything at this point whilst Deontay Wilder does.

Likewise, the same applies to David Haye. He became the undisputed cruiser weight champion of the world before moving up to heavyweight and winning a title there. He only ever failed to a prime Wladimir Klitschko.

The one who needs to prove themselves is the one who has the onus to make fights against top quality opponents happen. Not the one who is ALREADY proven like Wladimir Klitschko.

And calling out =/= making a fight happen.

[W1LL]

Deontay Wilder talks SO much, there's no way back for him if he gets KTFO'd.