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Old 06-20-2018, 04:25 PM #1
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Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, the president and other officials have repeatedly said the only way to end the practice is for Congress to pass new legislation, though both Democrats and some Republicans have said the president could stop it himself.

The news in recent days has been dominated by searing images of children held in cages at border facilities, as well as audio recordings of young children crying for their parents — images that have sparked fury, question of morality and concern from Republicans about a negative impact on their races in November's midterm elections.

Trump pointed to those images in his meeting, saying they'd "affect everybody" but that he was torn. "We want the heart," he said, "but we also want strong borders and we want no crime."

Also playing a role: First lady Melania Trump. One White House official said Mrs. Trump had been making her opinion known to the president for some time that she felt he needed to do all he could to help families stay together, whether it was by working with Congress or acting on his own.

On Capitol Hill, some who have criticized the policy sounded cautiously optimistic.

If the president goes through with the signing, "It would be a complete 180. Clearly the president is hearing the uproar from our communities," said Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif.

Nielsen traveled to the Hill Wednesday afternoon to brief lawmakers. And members on the fence over pending immigration legislation headed to the White House to meet with Trump.

Trump had tweeted earlier Wednesday, "It's the Democrats fault, they won't give us the votes needed to pass good immigration legislation. They want open borders, which breeds horrible crime. Republicans want security. But I am working on something - it never ends!"

The administration recently put into place a "zero tolerance" policy in which all unlawful border crossings are referred for prosecution — a process that moves adults to the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service and sends many children to facilities run by the Department of Health and Human Services. Under the Obama administration, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The policy had led to a spike in family separations in recent weeks, with more than 2,300 minors were separated from their families at the border from May 5 through June 9, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

The action, according to people familiar with it, wouldn't end the zero tolerance policy, but would aim to keep families together while they are in custody and ask the Department of Defense to help house the detained families.

Justice Department lawyers have been working to find a legal workaround for a class-action lawsuit settlement that set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border, or crafting an order that would defy the settlement and force it back into court to argue for changes.

Two people close to Homeland Security Secretary Nielsen said early Wednesday that she was the driving force behind the plan to keep families together after they are detained crossing the border illegally.

One of the people said Nielsen, who had become the face of the administration's policy, had little faith that Congress would act to fix the separation issue and felt compelled to act. Nielsen was heckled at a restaurant Tuesday evening and has faced protesters at her home.

But others pushed back on the idea that Homeland Security had led the rollback. One official said it was the Justice Department that generated the legal strategy that is codified in the working executive order, and disputed the notion that Homeland Security was involved in drawing up the document.

Planning at the Justice Department had been underway over the past several days to provide the president with options on the growing crisis, said the official, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the effort before its official announcement.

The person said Trump called the Justice Department Wednesday morning asking for the draft order. The official did not know what prompted Trump to change course.

The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

American Civil Liberties Union Executive Director Anthony Romero says the order can't undo damage already done.

"This executive order would replace one crisis for another. Children don't belong in jail at all, even with their parents, under any set of circumstances. If the president thinks placing families in jail indefinitely is what people have been asking for, he is grossly mistaken."

The president’s action came after he tweeted Wednesday morning that he was “working on something” to “pass good immigration legislation.”

“We all very much have the same views, we want to keep families together,” Trump said later Wednesday during a meeting with Republican lawmakers. But he added that he is scared that “millions of people are coming up, overtaking the country. We have to be very strong on the border but at the same time we want to be compassionate.”

For her part, Nielsen’s sudden about-face ― related by two people familiar with Nielsen’s thinking who spoke to the AP ― comes just days after she defended the practice and said it was the law to separate the children. It is not a law.

“It’s a law passed by the United States Congress,” Nielsen falsely said in response to a reporter on Monday. “Rather than fixing the law, Congress is asking those of us who enforce the law to turn our backs on the law and not enforce the law. That’s not an answer.”

At just one Texas facility, nearly 1,500 children are being detained, locked in cages and unable to see their family members. Audio released by ProPublica captured children crying and begging for their parents.

On Tuesday evening, while Nielsen attempted to have dinner at a Mexican restaurant in Washington, D.C., protestors swarmed her and chanted “Shame!” and “Sanctuary for all!”

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Old 06-20-2018, 04:45 PM #2
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:49 PM #3
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:52 PM #4
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As a first generation estadounidense, **** these kids and their families.

This country is crowded enough, and has enough problems internally to be taking in disenfranchised people from other countries.

Yes, were a nation built by immigrants. NO, we don't need to keep letting them all pour in. LMAO

**** any libcuck beta soyboy constitution burning socialist democrat phaggot who this rustles too. Go jump down to Mejico and start working that good will, if you give so many ****s about "the world".We don't have to be a sanctuary for anyone but our own citizens.


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Old 06-20-2018, 04:57 PM #5
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As a first generation estadounidense, **** these kids and their families.

This country is crowded enough, and has enough problems internally to be taking in disenfranchised people from other countries.

Yes, were a nation built by immigrants. NO, we don't need to keep letting them all pour in. LMAO

**** any libcuck beta soyboy constitution burning socialist democrat phaggot who this rustles too. Go jump down to Mejico and start working that good will, if you give so many ****s about "the world".We don't have to be a sanctuary for anyone but our own citizens.


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It's not just you, quite a few people I know personally are against illegal immigration, even if it's their own racial/ethnic group that are illegals. They just want things to be done legally, properly vetted, and going through the proper channels.
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It's not just you, quite a few people I know personally are against illegal immigration, even if it's their own racial/ethnic group that are illegals. They just want things to be done legally, properly vetted, and going through the proper channels.
An open border is a stupid concept. USA should make homeland security a priority. And as far as citizenship goes, we give out actual citizenship to easy, it should have to be earned after a vetting process. Residency/work permits should be more available to our neighboring countries but more restrictions should come with them. As of right now, the main difference between a citizen and a resident is the ability to vote, and considering most citizens don't vote, its not saying much...
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An open border is a stupid concept. USA should make homeland security a priority. And as far as citizenship goes, we give out actual citizenship to easy, it should have to be earned after a vetting process. Residency/work permits should be more available to our neighboring countries but more restrictions should come with them. As of right now, the main difference between a citizen and a resident is the ability to vote, and considering most citizens don't vote, its not saying much...
I like to see some simple solutions and sensible ideas coming from both sides of the political aisle for a bi-partisan bill that satisfies both. I posted one of my proposals in the other thread.

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Simple solution. What Trump should do is get the Republicans on board and give amnesty for the illegals and their families, that will be the Republican's concession, in fact they have said repeatedly they would be open to that idea if the other side also helps ensure that there will not be anymore illegals crossing into the US in the future.

Now on the Democrat side, there will be and has to be a major concession from the Democrats on this issue. They have to help pass E-Verify where businesses are mandated to check the legal status of their workers, furthermore, if some business hires an illegal, there would be major fines. I'm sure you've heard of the American Disabilities Act? Any business that is in violation of it pays an enormous fine of around $75k per violation. Something similar to that would suffice. A law like this would be constitutional because it is covered by the Commerce Clause in the US Constitution.

To fully stop illegal immigration, you have to stop the hiring of the illegals. No jobs=no illegal migration. No need for a border wall.
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