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  • #51
    I still don't know what this doc was/is supposed to accomplish.......

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    • #52
      They made us watch 12 Angry Men in HS - something everyone who thinks that mountains of evidence and testimony unfailingly reveal the unadulterated truth every time (which at times if doesn't whatsoever) - should see.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by A-Wolf View Post
        They made us watch 12 Angry Men in HS - something everyone who thinks that mountains of evidence and testimony unfailingly reveal the unadulterated truth every time (which at times if doesn't whatsoever) - should see.
        Great film!


        And thanks for the info. in your previous post!

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        • #54
          Originally posted by travestyny View Post
          Great film!


          And thanks for the info. in your previous post!

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          • #55
            This is an interview with John Ziegler on the Glenn Beck show. Ziegler has been a critic of the metoo movement and he wrote the story saying Jackson was probably guilty but HBO was wrong for airing the documentary.

            Even factoring in that presupposition, however, what HBO did was very wrong. In the spirit of basic fairness and the avoidance of incredibly bad precedents, which create dangerous new rules, Leaving Neverland should never have been broadcast in its current form.

            Because Jackson was acquitted in a criminal case, never even found liable by a civil court, and cannot defend himself because he is dead, this should have required HBO and director Dan Reed to reach a far greater threshold of evidence than might normally be the case (one of the disconnects in our legal and journalistic system is that it is easier to do this show about dead person, no matter how unfair that may be, because the deceased can’t be legally “defamed”). Having produced a movie so one-sided that it really shouldn’t even be called a “documentary,” they clearly failed to meet that burden.
            In the article he even said it appears Robson and Safechuck were abused

            To be clear, while Jackson was properly acquitted given the evidence presented in his 2005 trial, I have no problem accepting the probability that he was indeed a pedophile (though, I should note that I am convinced that Jackson’s criminal attorney, Tom Meserau, whom I have gotten to know pretty well, sincerely believes him to be innocent). It also appears that the two primary figures in this film, Wade Robson and James Safechcuk, were indeed sexually abused.
            https://www.mediaite.com/tv/michael-...ill-be-unfair/

            Now fast forward two days later after he's read about he lawsuit and the circumstances surrounding the lawsuit and the depositions he says he wouldn't have written that article that way. He says Wade has less credibility than Jussie Smollett.



            Anybody that takes 30 mins to investigate this case (and the others too) will come away questioning everything you ever believed about Jackson and kids. For years I believed MJ molested those kids. But when I started reading about these cases my mind was changed. Before I was just going off of media reports and the gossip. The the actual court documents tell a whole different story.

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            • #56
              Forgot all about this. But that fake news story that Red Foxx keeps spreading around was a hit piece put out by Harvey Weinstein to take the heat off of him

              https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mplicity.html?

              Shortly after the news investigations of Mr. Weinstein’s alleged abuse were published, A. J. Benza, a former New York Daily News gossip columnist, received a two-word text from the producer: “Help me.”

              Mr. Benza had been integral to the network of friendly journalists — gossip columnists, magazine writers, editors and authors — whom the producer relied on to promote his entertainment empire and sometimes punish rivals or deflect threats.

              Over dinner in West Hollywood in late 2003 or early the next year, the men had discussed a plan to help Mr. Weinstein avoid embarrassment. While married to his first wife, he had become involved with someone else, Mr. Benza discovered. A clerk at a Los Angeles art studio where he commissioned a gift for Mr. Weinstein — a painting of a reimagined “Hollywood” sign reading “Harveywood” — volunteered to Mr. Benza that a friend, Georgina Chapman, was seeing the producer. Mr. Weinstein, who would later marry Ms. Chapman, was separated and wanted to keep the relationship confidential until he was divorced, according to his spokeswoman, Sallie Hofmeister.

              Mr. Benza, then between jobs, had a suggestion. “I could supply your P.R. girls with a lot of gossip — a lot of stories — and if people come at them with the ‘Harvey’s having an affair story,’ they can barter,” Mr. Benza recalled telling Mr. Weinstein. “He said, ‘A. J., it’s got to be good stories,’ and I said, ‘Don’t you worry about it.’”

              Collecting a monthly retainer, Mr. Benza said, he reported items on Roger Clemens, Michael Jackson and others and sent them to Mr. Weinstein’s communications team, though he didn’t know whether they were used to trade away stories about the producer. Mr. Weinstein’s spokeswoman said the payments to Mr. Benza were for public relations work during Miramax’s dispute with Disney.

              After 10 months, Mr. Weinstein said, “I think the coast is clear; I think we beat this thing,” according to Mr. Benza, who recently had a brief stint as a writer for American Media and also runs his own gossip podcast, “Fame Is a *****.”

              Mr. Benza and Mr. Weinstein were exploiting a longstanding system of favor-trading between the press and the movie business. Gossip writers need a stream of insider scoops, industry beat reporters need exclusives on the next big deal and glossy magazines need celebrities who can drive newsstand sales. Mr. Weinstein, who wanted glowing coverage, could provide that and more.

              The producer often held out business opportunities to those who covered him. He had book and movie deals with writers and editors at Fox News, The New York Post, Premiere magazine, Vanity Fair, Variety and elsewhere. In Mr. Benza’s case, a book contract came immediately after he left The Daily News. In interviews, several journalists who had business ties to him said the arrangements did not cause them to pull punches.

              He had particularly strong ties to the tabloid giant American Media — owner of The Enquirer, Globe, OK!, Radar Online and others — with which he teamed up to pursue several media and production deals.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View Post
                Forgot all about this. But that fake news story that Red Foxx keeps spreading around was a hit piece put out by Harvey Weinstein to take the heat off of him

                https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mplicity.html?
                Same way they did Dave Chappelle when they tried to take him out.

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                • #58
                  Not guilty in court that’s all that matters for the law

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