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Old 05-28-2019, 10:47 AM #11
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most of the people here are unfit to talk about fighters from back more than 5-10 years.
99% of the people who talk about ATG sh^t are unfit to talk about it I'd argue. Most have only seen a handful of great fighters fights. I don't believe its fair to judge the greatest of each area on just 3 or 4 fights & sometimes no fights even exist.

Its a silly mental masturbation to play the all time great game.

And this isn't even getting into the different rules & different times & different knowledge available at different times in boxing history that makes the variance of judging true ability & talent an impossibility to measure against guys from different eras.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:48 AM #12
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How so????
The status and legacy the whos who as who was the greatest.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:51 AM #13
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99% of the people who talk about ATG sh^t are unfit to talk about it I'd argue. Most have only seen a handful of great fighters fights. I don't believe its fair to judge the greatest of each area on just 3 or 4 fights & sometimes no fights even exist.

Its a silly mental masturbation to play the all time great game.

And this isn't even getting into the different rules & different times & different knowledge available at different times in boxing history that makes the variance of judging true ability & talent an impossibility to measure against guys from different eras.

so accomplishments in boxing don't actually have any value and we're not allowed to evaluate them becasue you cannot

right.
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:32 AM #14
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The status and legacy the whos who as who was the greatest.
What does a bunch of guys who have no real clue about something like this & a few who do deeming someone among the greatest do exactly doe? Whats good about it really? What's the value to the sport?
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:44 AM #15
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so accomplishments in boxing don't actually have any value and we're not allowed to evaluate them becasue you cannot

right.
Of course accomplishments have value.

Dick measuring accomplishments across eras is impossible & meaningless is what I'm saying.

Far too many intangibles in measuring boxers of different eras against each other. And I call bs on people who've seen so little of historical among the best of their eras fights having any input at all in the discussion. Or basically I don't see how a guy who's seen 6 SRR fights, 12 Ali fights & less of other notable fighters & no fights of some can even have an opinion on the matter. Its f#cking stupid to even have an opinion when you have such incomplete information.

And again this isn't even getting into the more complicated issue of rule changes, scoring differences & just different world situations going on at various times in history that may have impacted ones influence or ability. For an easy example if Mike Tyson had lived in Jack Dempsey's era he would have beaten many more guys than he did with his ability to hover over a downed fighter & hit him as he was getting up & there are a million other variables to consider that could have minor to huge impact on ones legacy. Yet somehow we are supposed to measure all these variables in some sci fi fantasy completely level area of judgement. Its a bs concept. And its just sorta silly.
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What does a bunch of guys who have no real clue about something like this & a few who do deeming someone among the greatest do exactly doe? Whats good about it really? What's the value to the sport?
Im talking more on boxing experts guys who actually fought back in the day or trained fighters and been studying this sport for ever.
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:56 AM #17
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talented?

wladimir hit harder, had better accuracy, he was faster. heck, vitali couldn't even make it through training when he was at the end of his career.

vitali was a better fighter at his peak. that's the consensus among experts and people who have been watching boxing for the 15-20 years you need to have context on the careers of both guys. wladimir had a better career, vitali would have almost surely kicked his ass. the main reason for that is how important it is to have a great chin when you fight another great HW in a fantasy fight. almost all of the great HW had great chins. unless wladimir was leaps and bounds ahead of his brother techincally and physically he'd ahve eventually ahd to take a big shot, and we all know what that looked like against purrity, sanders, and lamon brewster. vitali, on the other hand, might have the best chin i've ever seen. he's certainly up there. i've never seen him genuinely wobbled, including bombs from lewis and corrie sanders.
I don't think you understand the difference between talent and skill
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Im talking more on boxing experts guys who actually fought back in the day or trained fighters and been studying this sport for ever.
I included them in my question.

What does it matter? Whats good about it? What value does an opinion like "who's the best" bring?
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No boxing fan thinks they are the same person. They are both good but I like Vitali better. Vitali was never knocked down in his career and only lost twice due to injuries. I think he was a better all around fighter than his brother. He was extremely rugged and also a KO puncher with almost all of his wins being KOs. He only has the two losses due to injuries while Wlad is not so rugged and was dropped many times and KOed at least 4 different times.
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