36 year old GGG is 50/50 with 28 year prime Canelo, prime GGG trashes prime Canelo

[champion4ever]

Money May was 36 when he defeated Canelo too.

[QueensburyRules]

Canelo is a great fighter, even with all the favoritism and Diva attitudes and the PED issues.

When GGG was still close to his prime and challenged Canelo, Canelo didnt want anything to do with GGG. He ran and ran and even dropped his WBC belt. Canelo went on to face Liam Smith, Chavez Jr and Amir Khan instead.

Canelo himself said in several interviews that he wants to be retired by the age of 35 since thats the time that most fighters are past their best and cannot perform at the highest level and he waited until GGG was over 35 until he was ready to face him.

GGG at age 35 won the first Canelo fight clearly in most peoples eyes.

The 2nd fight was much closer, i wouldnt argue against a Draw in that fight. GGG was 36 years old already.

GGG was the most avoided fighter in his prime, Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin, Felix Sturm, Arthur Abraham, Canelo Alvarez, Miguel Cotto and many others, everybody avoided a young prime GGG and GGG still beat up all the top middleweights during his era who dared to step in the same ring. Macklin, Geale, Murray, Lemieux all of them were considered top middleweights when GGG faced them.

How many other active fighters age 36+ can operate at the very elite level? Even Pacquiao got knocked out already and looked lackluster vs a B type Horn. Kovalev got knocked out by Eleider Alvarez.

Only GGG is the one remaining at this advanced age and the guy had over 350 amateur fights all around the world, he has been boxing his entire life and has a very aggressive, offensive minded style that doesnt age well.

TLDR: GGG in his prime was the ultimate middleweight. He had the whole division on lock and had everybody else look like an Anime fan on prom night.

When a 36 year old GGG is 50/50 with a prime Canelo you know that Prime vs Prime GGG is way superior than Canelo. A 30 year old GGG destroys a 28 year old Canelo. How can you possibly argue against it?

GGG is also still the most exciting middleweight of this era, all of his fights are extremely entertaining and exciting and thats what matters to us boxing fans.

- -Big supporter of both, but Golovkin and the collective YOU been soiling yer shorts ever since the kid showed up.

[TonyGe]

Money May was 36 when he defeated Canelo too.

OK great performance by Mayweather

[TJ highway]

GGG is 37! If he fights Canelo next may he will be 38!

[Curt Henning]

prime lil g was busy fighting guys like gabe rosado lol

[Bjl12]

I asked for reigning Middleweight champions that cut weight to defend their titles. You gave me nothing.
Canelo was not a reigning Middleweight champion when he fought Cotto. Canelo fought a naturally smaller guy that was past prime at 155 pounds and that is supposed to be a monumental achievemet. Come on even you can't believe that.

Golovkin did not pick the judges. His camp objected to one judge. The replacement judge they suggested to be used by the NSAC was turned down and someone else was picked by the NSAC. Both sides agreed to the judges. What your saying isn't accurate.

Most on the list of fighters you provided that gave into the A side weight demands lost by the way.

The A side doesn't not pick everything concerning the fight. That's nonsense. Look at how many proposed fights fall apart because both sides can't agree. Two sides come together to make a fight and each side brings whatever leverage it can to the table. The second Golovkin Canelo fight was a good example. When Canelo failed his drug test Golovkin had a better bargaining position and held out for more money. He got what he wanted even though the failed drug test barely affected the drawing power of Canelo. There is some truth to this A side B side but some people are getting carried away.

You are being belligerent. When you want to become the FACE OF BOXING you have to beat the FACE OF BOXING.

Floyd let DLH choose the terms and Floyd overcame and won. Floyd went on to become the FACE OF BOXING.

Pavlik let BHop CHOOSE THE WEIGHT because Pavlik wanted that notch on his belt

Margarito let Manny and Cotto DICTATE TERMS because MARGARITO wanted the fame/star power as well as prize (more money) that comes with beating a household name

Canelo fought Floyd at 152 because Canelo wanted to be the first/only to beat an HOF, ATG, and legitimate Top 20 fighter EVER.

In each scenario the "B" side let "A" side dictate terms because the "B" side was trying to increase their:

• star power
• money (purse, contract, etc.)
• PFP/ATG recognition

That is why you take CHANCES when you are the "B" side. And "B" side does not mean you are a worse fighter. It just means you have less star power, are less famous, have less name recognition...which results in LESS BARGAINING POWER. And you get MORE BARGAINING POWER by beating someone "above" you...someone who has more star power, more household recognition, someone with PPV/contract records, etc.

Golovkin was 34 years old calling out 2 household name fighters in Canelo and Cotto. Canelo was already among Top 3 names in boxing at the time (Floyd and Manny were winding down). Yet GGG did nothing but make DEMANDS for Cotto or Canelo to meet. That doesn't work in boxing (or in life).

The person who holds the bargaining power will not WILLINGLY or VOLUNTARILY surrender their power to someone with less power. It has to be earned through...COMPROMISE.

So if GGG truly wanted to fight Canelo or Cotto he would've made the concessions to make the fight happen...you know...like Canelo did in the GGG rematch...where he let GGG pick:

• Canelo's gloves
• the judges
• the ref
• higher PPV %
• join WBC365

CANELO - and NOT GGG - made the rematch happen. And Canelo did it by making concessions...letting GGG dictate terms. Sadly after the fight GGG retreated and has essentially lost all of his gained fame. People no longer think he won the 1st fight. People don't remember him much because he left the sport...right when he was picking up steam. People aren't interested in him because his act hasn't changed (despite losing and literally getting beat up). People don't like that he fired his trainer, acted like a disrespectful punk, and behaves like a childish hypocrite.

It is nobody's fault but GGG's for coming to America at 28 years old. Canelo is 28 years old today and he's a 3 division champion whose aiming to be the first Mexican to ever unify any division. Do you see the difference?

At 28 Cotto was already famous and popular too, not like Canelo...but leaps and bounds more then GGG.

Again, this is entirely GGG's fault and nobody elses. But he chose to fight Vanes, fight Rolls, pass on BJS, pass on Dervenchenko, pass on Andrade (twice), pass on Ward (after calling him out at 168 and offering to fight Froch and JCC Jr. at 168), pass on Canelo and Cotto at 155-157, pass on Lara, pass on Charlo.

At 37 years of age and after 40 professional fights GGG has faced 5 champions (1 was a Welterweight) and still behaves like the entitled prima donna child that he is.

All of the above are reasons why Golovkin SHOULD HAVE made concessions to earn the "A" side treatment. He almost had it. That first fight was razor close. Imagine if the fight happened 1 year earlier? Perhaps GGG catches Canelo before he was ready...a LEGENDARY KO...maybe a KTFO? He truly would've stood among the elite at MW (maybe not ever, but definitely in the past 20-30 years).

Instead GGG is left with a record full of semi-retired fighters, part-time fighters, and fringe contenders. His best opponents were Danny Jacobs (no world beater) and that was a 6-6 fight with the KD, Canelo (who he drew against and LOST), and a goddamn WELTERWEIGHT. That's horrible.

This post was not designed to attack you. It's disappointing that Gennady resigned himself to so little when he had potential for so much.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Most the GGG cheerleaders in this thread at one time were diehard Kova fans...

They had no problem Kova beating BHop...

[Thuglife Nelo]

Money May was 36 when he defeated Canelo too.

GGG vs Canelo were no catchweights.

Kova vs BHop were no catchweights.

[Curtis Harper]

If you don't you will continue to be an annoying jerk.

Good thing I didn't come here to make friends

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Is that like when Abel Sanchez said GG lost the rematch, but you GG fans still say he won?

You know, Abel Sanchez, GG's trainer for his entire career? His own trainer said he lost, but you insist he won or draw.

ODLH is a figure head and was a hell of a fighter - he really was. I don't rate his opinion much on anything whether he's pro-Canelo or anti-Floyd. ODLH is a shell of his former self. He has not handled retirement well at all.

I'm not finished reading this thread yet but please go watch the Manny/Floyd match and listen to Senior tell Junior that hes losing.

I guess Floyd lost that fight too eh?

If your trainer says it it must be true.

And also after finishing your other posts. Come on guy. You want to act objective and look at the fact but you're only looking at half the story. If you asked me who was gonna win the first fight between Canelo and GGG i would have to have said GGG by knock out because I damn well knew he would NEVER win on the cards. How many questionable cards did Canelo have before fighting GGG? Too many. And then what happened the first fight? Even you cant defend that 118-110 scorecard. You said its corruption not controversy but I disagree. Corruption is controversy but worse. That basically means Canelo cannot lose if he makes it to the cards.

And you idea of being A side is 100% hypocritical. B side should make concessions to fight A side but if A side doesnt want to fight B side then they will make absurd concession demands so that B side wont fight.

Ya know.

Because Canelo was so good he needed to drain GGG because he didnt believe he was good enough to beat him in a fair fight.

And then he needed to be literally saved by the score cards because A side always gets the benefit of the doubt. But hes better than GGG right? Come on