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Floyd Mayweather Jr. 14 51.85%
Jack Johnson 6 22.22%
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Old 11-23-2020, 10:11 PM #121
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Middleweights?

McCormick 6' 2.5"
Klon***e 6'1"
Ferguson 6'3"
Kennedy 6'2"
Moran6'1"
Griffin 6'1"
Everett 6'. 0.5"
Kaufman 6'1"
Martin 6'3"
Butler 6'.05"
Lester 6'3.5"
Felix 6.3"
Lang 6'1"
Russell 6'3"
Cowler 6'3.5"
Simmons 6'
Jeffords 6'4"
Are these the guys?
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Old 11-23-2020, 10:12 PM #122
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I’m here to rub your face in the lies you both perpetuated.
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Middleweights?

McCormick 6' 2.5"
Klon***e 6'1"
Ferguson 6'3"
Kennedy 6'2"
Moran6'1"
Griffin 6'1"
Everett 6'. 0.5"
Kaufman 6'1"
Martin 6'3"
Butler 6'.05"
Lester 6'3.5"
Felix 6.3"
Lang 6'1"
Russell 6'3"
Cowler 6'3.5"
Simmons 6'
Jeffords 6'4"
Are these the guys?
You really have the audacity to mention those names? You realize these were no-hopers, read up on them. Johnsonís biggest wins came against a still not prime Langford who he outweighed by at least forty pounds and towered over him by eight inches. Then there was Ketchel the MW, you may have heard of him. Jeannette and McVey were just getting started with less than ten fights. Also outweighed and considerably smaller. They never got their title shots from Johnson was he was champion and they had more experience. He drew the color line in his own race.

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Iím here to rub your face in the lies you both perpetuated.
Both? It would help if you would learn how to properly quote posters on here. I already gave you a quick tutorial. Dense.
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Old 11-23-2020, 11:03 PM #124
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You are the racist and liar not me.

Remember the far right web sites were the ones lying about all that voter fraud. Who was telling everyone it was all lies? CNN

Who is the fake news?

You stated Johnson just fought middleweights you were wrong. You lied.

Johnson defended his title against the fighters the paying audience wanted him to fight. They did not want to see two black men fighting for the championship.

The records of Jeanette, McVey are incomplete.
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Old 11-23-2020, 11:15 PM #125
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You are the racist and liar not me.

Remember the far right web sites were the ones lying about all that voter fraud. Who was telling everyone it was all lies? CNN

Who is the fake news?

You stated Johnson just fought middleweights you were wrong. You lied.

Johnson defended his title against the fighters the paying audience wanted him to fight. They did not want to see two black men fighting for the championship.

The records of Jeanette, McVey are incomplete.
Racist? Stop with the nonsense you cannot prove nor validate. You are a psychotic. Leave politics out of this forum you circus clown.

I never said Johnson only fought middleweights. I said those were his best wins. Reading comprehension goes a long way. Johnsonís resume is long on has-beens, smaller fighters and never-was opponents. He got all the glory for being the first black HW, but Langford was far and away the superior fighter. Langford, Jeannette, and McVey all said Johnson denied them their shot at the title. They did not lie.

Now, you can go about the forums like the insane little racist that you are and spout your hatred and lies elsewhere. I havenít got the time or willingness to answer your crazy posts. Get some help and stop freebasing your psych meds.
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Old 11-24-2020, 03:03 AM #126
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Iím here to rub your face in the lies you both perpetuated.
Who are you referring to? I agreed about Johnson with you, just think you are being an a hole bringing in stupid things like "fake news" and other such derision.

Why can't you or Queenie learn the quote function?
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You are the racist and liar not me.

Remember the far right web sites were the ones lying about all that voter fraud. Who was telling everyone it was all lies? CNN

Who is the fake news?

You stated Johnson just fought middleweights you were wrong. You lied.

Johnson defended his title against the fighters the paying audience wanted him to fight. They did not want to see two black men fighting for the championship.

The records of Jeanette, McVey are incomplete.
Save the foul language for other forums thank you.
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Mayweather, though, an excellent pure boxer is one of the most overrated ever through fighting no one when they were at their best. He's got a legacy halfwits believe in, but he himself knows better, and it kills him. He sees how he is regarded by knowledgeable fans, and it ain't good.
True. Which is exactly why he brings up how much money he's generated when someone questions him for the reasons you've stated above.
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True. Which is exactly why he brings up how much money he's generated when someone questions him for the reasons you've stated above.
Iíve actually seen his fans claim that is why he is the best ever, he earned more than any other fighter. No one quantified an athletes legacy in any other sport by how much money theyíve earned. Adjusted for inflation, Joe Montana still earned less than Joe Flacco. Based on Mayweather standards that would make Flacco > Montana, Elway, Favre, and many others.
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All were very very great fighters.

Johnson, being black and flaunting it, at a time when blacks were hung for staring at a white woman can be put in another category. They don’t make fighters like him any longer.

The other thing regarding Johnson was that promoting a black vs black heavyweight championship bout would not sell to the lay public. Because of this purses were generally not what they were for fighting a white contender. Boxing is a business and Johnson fought where the money was to be made. Also offers to fight Langford as an example, and their were a few, generally fell through.

So it was not that Johnson ducked Langford, Jeanette and McVey in that he was afraid he would lose to them. Johnson was head and shoulders above all three in terms of ability.
Johnson is misunderstood until you read about him and watch his fights to analyze him as a fighter.

No doubt he is a famous icon, but did you know this:

He defeated Sam McVey when McVey was a teenager.

He defeated Langford in their only match when Sam was 20 years old, and a billed @ 156 pounds.

He defeated Jeannette when he was a raw novice starting at 0-3, and many times under .500

When he became champion, he had nothing to do with the top competition, even with purse offers from 50-100K, which was a high purse amount back then.

As Champion he was TKO's in an exhibition match vs Gunboat Smith. Smith of course beat Willard, and Moran but never got a title shot himself.

He was even with older middle Jack O'Brien at 160 pounds. Some primary reports say O'Brien was the better.

Floored and hurt by his own admission vs Ketchel.


Escaped with a draw vs fellow African American Jim Battling Johnson when the press reports he was hurt and lost out at the final round ( 10 )

Stunned by a no name in Ross, and eventually stopped by the best he fought at the time he fought them in Willard.

Yes-- He did beat the Shell o James Jeffries, which was his most famous win, but Jeffries was out of the ring for 6 years, had to lose a lot of fat to get in shape and 35 years old for the fight.

There's a to more if you dig down. I skipped how he looked on film. There are +'s and -'s to his game.

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