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Old 05-29-2019, 12:59 PM #21
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All roads lead to Inoue vs Nery.
Please explain. Every logical road for Inoue leads away from Nery (unify 118, move to 122).

All Nery had to do was make weight for the second Yamanaka fight, which would have meant him keeping his belt, then he could have entered the WBSS and that's where he would have found Inoue/Tete/Burnett/Rodriguez etc.......

But Nery missed the scales by a whopping 5lbs (3lbs at second attempt), lost his belt, seemingly disqualified himself for the WBSS tourny, yet now there is talk of people ducking him - where all he had to do was stick to the weight and he would be in a position to be where Inoue is right now (or where Donaire is right now).

Then Ouballi would be talking about Inoue/Nery winner, and winner Nery/Inoue eager for Ouballi and and final Tete unifier.

But Nery isn't a part of that for only one reason, and that is Nery failing to stay away from the buffet.
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:04 PM #22
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Can't really compare to the Inoue fight, Inoue caught him flush straight out the gate - early mistake/big penalty - and he's unlikely to make that same mistake again, so it might take Nery a round or two more, but lest we forget, Payano is a spent force now at 35, so its not really a great fight - Nery can't help but look good in there against him.

Cuadras would have been a better fight as Cuadras always brings it, and at 30, he's still got something left. Or Rodriguez.

Yamanaka was also in the 35 year-old range, and Nery beat him juiced the first time, overweight the second time, then he beat Arroyo who was coming of a couple of losses and an MD against mediocre opposition, a 13/5 Robles, 27/8 Canoy, so lets not get too carried away with how good Nery is yet until he takes on someone prime - even a Maloney, Warren, Burnett at this stage would be a step up from previous opposition and start to tell us something. Nery's opposition is looking a little careful.
Nery and Yamanaka were in 128 pounds in the ring.

Where is the overweight?

At the end, it was not any advantage in weight.

Jacobs did the weight and in the ring he was in 186 pounds.

Nery only rehydrated 8 pounds in 14 hours.

120 to 128 and he looked like zombie after cut 3 pounds.


Yamanaka was the best fighter of the division , was the King and the favorite to win that fight.

Moloney and Rodríguez are sh.it.


What's the best win of Moloney?

What's the best wins of Rodríguez?


They are b class fighter, or C class.

They are in the same level of Mcwilliams Arroyo


Nery has the best win

Best win of Naoya probably is 45 years old Narváez


Naoya rivals are sh.it.

They are only a bunch of B class fighters of the level of Liam Smith
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:07 PM #23
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Please explain. Every logical road for Inoue leads away from Nery (unify 118, move to 122).

All Nery had to do was make weight for the second Yamanaka fight, which would have meant him keeping his belt, then he could have entered the WBSS and that's where he would have found Inoue/Tete/Burnett/Rodriguez etc.......

But Nery missed the scales by a whopping 5lbs (3lbs at second attempt), lost his belt, seemingly disqualified himself for the WBSS tourny, yet now there is talk of people ducking him - where all he had to do was stick to the weight and he would be in a position to be where Inoue is right now (or where Donaire is right now).

Then Ouballi would be talking about Inoue/Nery winner, and winner Nery/Inoue eager for Ouballi and and final Tete unifier.

But Nery isn't a part of that for only one reason, and that is Nery failing to stay away from the buffet.
Thats sh.it.

Nery is with Zanfer and they never had intention to fight in that tournament.

They never do that kind of things


Inoue ducked Román González

Thats a fact

Another fact is that Nery always calls about Inoue fight and the japanese never mention Nery in his plan.
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:10 PM #24
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Oubaali wants to unify vs Inoue (Naoya) - why would he want to fight Nery who doesn't have a belt ? Oubaali/Inoue is significant as its unification, why would it be more significant after fighting Nery ? What Ouballi does know for sure is that Nery doesn't bring a belt to the table.

Same reason Inoue won't fight Nery as Nery doesn't bring anything to the table. Inoue will try unify with Oubaali and Tete, then go to 122 if all the trinkets taken care of at 118. Nery will then either stay behind at 118 to pick up one fo the vacated belts, or if he really wants Inoue, he needs to go to 122 now and get a belt so that Inoue has to go through him to get it later. If Nery goes to 122 later, Nery still won't be bringing anything to the table as Inoue will be fighting belt-holders.

Bottom line, Nery has to get a belt to become relevant (and only he is to blame for not making weight in Japan and losing the one he had).
Oubaali Will fight against a bum in Kazajistán

He wants the fight with Naoya brother, he does not have a belt

So, you are ok with canelo team saying that GGG needs a belt to make the third fight?


Nery is much relevant in the división than most of champions

He and Inoue are the best and people want to see them fight , period


Oubaali ducked Nery. Is clear


He does not had the enough confidence to fight with Nery in a Pacquiao fight

Imagine

Oubaali beat Nery in the undercard of Pacquiao

He will be a star and the fight with Inoue would.be bigger

But he knows Nery would K.O him brutally
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So he’s milking the title and running to Bob after Haymon gave him a shot at the title against one of the most least dangerous guys in the division in Raushee Warren who’s been with Haymon for years and didn’t get robbed on the scores as well?

People talk lots of crap bout Haymon but he truly does look out for his fighters!
What? How did he look out for French dude? French dude was never signed to Haymon, he earned his WBC shot and won fair and square. Haymon didn't try to help him by giving him an easy opponent or anything as you seem to be suggesting. But yeah props to Haymon for not having a robbery take place
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:29 PM #26
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Oubaali Will fight against a bum in Kazajistán

He wants the fight with Naoya brother, he does not have a belt

So, you are ok with canelo team saying that GGG needs a belt to make the third fight?


Nery is much relevant in the división than most of champions

He and Inoue are the best and people want to see them fight , period


Oubaali ducked Nery. Is clear


He does not had the enough confidence to fight with Nery in a Pacquiao fight

Imagine

Oubaali beat Nery in the undercard of Pacquiao

He will be a star and the fight with Inoue would.be bigger

But he knows Nery would K.O him brutally
(1) Correct. Oubaali is doing a voluntary in Kazakhstan, and correct, likely someone he isn't likely to lose to. Reason for volutaries is to milk the belt for a bit before the mando requirements or bigger fights kick in - eg Commey.

(2) Ouballi doesn't want to fight Takuma - he accepts he might have to given Takuma is his mandatory, but he wants Naoya.

(3) I don't believe Canelo for a second that 'Golovkin got to have a belt' - Canelo will go where the money/legacy takes him, irrespective of belts. All negotiation tactics and a bit of getting back at Golovkin.

(4) Nery is no more relevent in the division that Cuadras right now. Nery has next mandatory shot after Takuma, that's about it.

(5) Why Ouballi wanting Naoya = ducking Nery ? Why isn't it ducking {insert name of any other 118 fighter}. Doesn't matter whether Nery calls him out or not, Nery has nothing to offer, why would Ouballi listen or respond ?

(6) Nery needs to prove he's the division killer by beating people in the Ring top 10 right now. Instead he's picking Payano - why ?

And if Nery's promotional outfit is responsible for Nery not being in the 118 WBSS. then why ? All the belts (except WBC) were there, as were all the top guys. If Nery or his promotional outfit doesn't want to mix it up with the best, its a stretch to start blaming others for not wanting to fight him when he ends up on the outs because he refused to participate in a tournament where noone avoids anyone else.

I admire your passionate defence of Nery, but he's a hard act to defend.
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(1) Correct. Oubaali is doing a voluntary in Kazakhstan, and correct, likely someone he isn't likely to lose to. Reason for volutaries is to milk the belt for a bit before the mando requirements or bigger fights kick in - eg Commey.

(2) Ouballi doesn't want to fight Takuma - he accepts he might have to given Takuma is his mandatory, but he wants Naoya.

(3) I don't believe Canelo for a second that 'Golovkin got to have a belt' - Canelo will go where the money/legacy takes him, irrespective of belts. All negotiation tactics and a bit of getting back at Golovkin.

(4) Nery is no more relevent in the division that Cuadras right now. Nery has next mandatory shot after Takuma, that's about it.

(5) Why Ouballi wanting Naoya = ducking Nery ? Why isn't it ducking {insert name of any other 118 fighter}. Doesn't matter whether Nery calls him out or not, Nery has nothing to offer, why would Ouballi listen or respond ?

(6) Nery needs to prove he's the division killer by beating people in the Ring top 10 right now. Instead he's picking Payano - why ?

And if Nery's promotional outfit is responsible for Nery not being in the 118 WBSS. then why ? All the belts (except WBC) were there, as were all the top guys. If Nery or his promotional outfit doesn't want to mix it up with the best, its a stretch to start blaming others for not wanting to fight him when he ends up on the outs because he refused to participate in a tournament where noone avoids anyone else.

I admire your passionate defence of Nery, but he's a hard act to defend.
Much text for nothing

Fight with Nery is not like you can't fight with Inoue in the future but it's a great risk


You are forgetting that Oubaali ducked Nery and fight in the undercard of Pacquiao vs Thurman one of the best fights of the year

He does not had the confidence to fight with Nery first because he knows Nery will K.O him


Nery destroyed the #1 in the division and all the world knows he and Inoue are the beasts of the 118.


Cuadras ducked Nery

Do you know?

They offered a fight with Nery, thats the reason why they picked Arroyo


Cuadras did not wan to fight with Luis
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Old 05-29-2019, 04:02 PM #28
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Inoue v Nery is the golden fight but Inoue has a belt so it would mostly likely be shopped in Japan and Nery has a lifetime ban in Japan for a bad test. Honestly believe Inoue stops him in under 8 regardless
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Old 05-29-2019, 05:40 PM #29
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Overall, at least this PPV has some names. If nothing else, there will be some KO's early on.
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:51 PM #30
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I'm glad to see Nery is keeping busy fighting decent opposition. Nery has had his issues, of course. But he is the only bantamweight that can truly test Inoue. Oubaali can only duck him for so long, then a unification with the Monster will be huge in 2020.
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