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Old 04-23-2019, 09:42 PM #221
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Titles are no longer enough motivation to take a fight.
Wilder wanted retirement money.
And now Ortiz.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:48 PM #222
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Eddie will go down in history as the worst match maker in history.
Couldnt even make a fight between 2 of his own fighters (AJ , Whyte).

The only people he wants to throw decent money at are the easiest bums he can find, like Miller and charles martin.
If one of the fighters doesn't play ball, you can't force them to fight. Whyte wanted 40% and a rematch clause. Do you think in any reality that makes sense? Of course not, but you wanted to spread your creepy poison anyway like you always do.

Want to see the worst match maker? Look no further than Al Haymon. That dude can't get numerous fights going. Nor can he pay any of them the type of money opponents earn when fighting AJ.

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Old 04-23-2019, 09:52 PM #223
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I guess Eddy sees now, throwing money at the problem wasn't the answer. He regrets the day he offered Big Baby $6.6 mil, now there's blood in the water.
Ortiz will see ducking the fight for the real title wasn't the answer. For his legacy or his bank balance.

For these cowards to duck these kind of paydays just shows what happens when Americans are involved. It descends into madness. Nothing sane or rational will come of it. Yet will accuse the other side of causing the problems. Man are you people f3cking freaks.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:55 PM #224
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They know AJ would trash Ortiz, thats all to it, Haymon wont allow it since it would also very much reduce Wilders worth/resume, since thats Wilders only decent win on his resume.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:56 PM #225
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Bottom line is that if Hearn really did make a lowball offer, Hearn and also Joshua take a real hit in the credibility department. The perception of most fans is that of all the possible opponents Ortiz is the only real threat (this is not my take). Making a lowball offer to Ortiz, if that is what happened, will have exactly the opposite effect that Joshua's US debut was supposed to have.
What would you consider a lowball offer? Bare in mind his biggest payday was 500K for a title shot in which he lost. You don't get paid more after a loss, you get paid less. Otherwise David Price would be the biggest earner in the division.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:59 PM #226
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Yet none of these fighters have or will make close to what was offered to them.

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well, there must be some very unattractive details in his contracts then. Just ask Dillian Whyte about his rematch clause, that was a beauty.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:59 PM #227
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Theres quite a long list of fighters making the same "excuse", about Eddies dodgy offers.

Even Whyte with same promoters has openly said how bad Eddies "deals" are.
"Dody offers" doesn't sound like a credible argument for a 40 year old, PED cheat who's never been a big ticket seller and is earning peanuts. A lowball offer from dodgy Eddie Hearn is 99% likely to be a career high, above fair market value payday for any Joshua opponent.
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:00 PM #228
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i dont usually agree with terry the dumby...but i agree with alot of what he said

-hearn might prefer him fighting a dummy
-miller was being overpaid
-its the aj show...doesnt matter if its miller, ortiz or the fed ex guy

all true

cept one thing...hearn set the market value for the opponent in this fight...its the AJ show...his american debut....but hearn set the market value for this fight......whether hes overpaying or it matters who the other guy is or not...ortiz is just as known as miller....and actually is more credible to the hardcores...thus he brings nothing to suggest he deserves less than the market value that hearn set here

ortiz fought a top 3 HW in NYC and it was a FOTY candidate....and he was ranked above miller everywhere...he dont deserve a penny less
Hearn only paid Miller that much due to everyone ducking. He needed an opponent quick, so Miller drew a hard bargain to get way beyond market value. So if you look at the context, Hearn was basically being forced to pay out. That should never be the case for any big star. Especially a Heavyweight. Fighters should be jumping through hoops for the opportunity. But no, they're all scared.

If Ortiz was willing to fight for 500K, isn't he setting up his true market value? Therefore, if he refuses to fight for a lot more, then he is in fact the duck. Not AJ. But spin spin like you all do.

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Old 04-23-2019, 10:08 PM #229
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well, there must be some very unattractive details in his contracts then. Just ask Dillian Whyte about his rematch clause, that was a beauty.
A rematch clause that would make him much more money. Just beating Joshua doesn't automatically make you the bigger draw and that's what splits are based on. Most of these guys like Ortiz don't even get in to rematch talk, they just flat out duck the most feared man in the sport.
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Hearn only paid Miller that much due to everyone ducking. He needed an opponent quick, so Miller drew a hard bargain to get way beyond market value. So if you look at the context, Hearn was basically being forced to pay out. That should never be the case for any big star. Especially a Heavyweight. Fighters should be jumping through hoops for the opportunity. But no, they're all scared.

If Ortiz was willing to fight for 500K, isn't he setting up his true market value? Therefore, if he refuses to fight for a lot more, then he is in fact the duck. Not AJ. But spin spin like you all do.
The money didn't even come from Hearn ,DAZN shelled out and financed this one personally ,Joshua's guaranteed money of 35 million and Millers bercause he was reluctant to except otherwise . They aggressively persued Miller but now that's done so Hearn is back in the negotiations. So they cant even blame Hearn here. Ha I don't believe Hearn thought they would take the fight anyway so why go back and forth when they need an opponent who they know actually wants the fight. I would just leave these PBC guys alone here,i wouldn't put it past Haymon to tell them to fake an injury or something to make Joshua look bad .
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