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Old 06-24-2019, 02:46 PM #61
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The only reason they are defending this blatant corruption either has to do with backing their man (Wilder) or they can’t comprehend the little details. They think talking about Whyte ducking another organisation’s Final eliminator = He ducked the WBC final eliminator. These guys are the worse fans that I have ever come across, not even fanboys of Pacman, Cotto etc would defend a corrupt organisation like the WBC over an boxer.... This lot would doe.
All of the organizations are corrupt. All of the promoters are corrupt. That's a given. We all know boxing is one of the most corrupt sports on the planet.

But it's simply a fact that Whyte turned down final eliminators from both the IBF and WBC and never asked the WBO for a final eliminator even though he's been rated #1 in the WBO for a while.

We can debate whether Whyte made the right business move in each instance. I'm not saying he didn't have good reasons for not properly pursuing the mandatory position in these organizations. Being the mandatory isn't necessarily desirable if you are already a commercially viable fighter.

But you continue to insist a final eliminator isn't a final eliminator if it's to crown the second mandatory and you don't get to just invent your own language. It's not that uncommon for a division to have two mandatories and the second mandatory often attains his position by winning a final eliminator. If you think the terminology should be changed, fine, but that is the terminology that exists whether you or I like it or not.
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:53 PM #62
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I wouldn't think so seeing as he's defended his Silver belt against top 10 opponents consistently whereas corruption had #4 rated Breazeale face a Molina who I don't even know what he was rated as it was that low. Why weren't any of Dillian fights allowed to be a final eliminator and why was he only offered a secondary eliminator against Ortiz and decided to bail on the Breazeale one?
Winning the silver championship and defending against rated opponents is a great way to climb the ratings. But the way you become mandatory is by winning a final eliminator and a final eliminator is typically fought against the highest rated contender willing to participate. You don't just get to pick the #10 fighter and have it be a final eliminator if someone rated #2-9 was willing to fight you.

Breazeale and Whyte had similar circumstances but handled those circumstances differently. The existing mandatory, Stiverne, agreed to put his mandatory status on the line against Breazeale. That is how Breazeale wound up in a final eliminator. However, unexpectedly, Ortiz was pulled from the main event and Stiverne had to take his place. That allowed Breazeale to fight the highest available contender to become mandatory. Because it was such short notice, Molina ended up being the highest rated contender willing to step in.

In Whyte's case, the existing mandatory, Breazeale, agreed to put his mandatory status on the line against Whyte. However, unexpectedly, Fury was pulled from the main event and Breazeale had to take his place. That allowed Whyte to fight the highest available contender to become the mandatory.

But he refused to fight the highest available contender and instead chose to fight Rivas. Whyte has consistently refused to fight who he was supposed to fight to become mandatory and instead chose to fight whoever he wanted. That's not how you become mandatory. That's why he's been #1 for 550 days and still isn't mandatory. All he has to do is fight the highest available contender and he refuses to do so.
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:47 PM #63
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Winning the silver championship and defending against rated opponents is a great way to climb the ratings. But the way you become mandatory is by winning a final eliminator and a final eliminator is typically fought against the highest rated contender willing to participate. You don't just get to pick the #10 fighter and have it be a final eliminator if someone rated #2-9 was willing to fight you.

Breazeale and Whyte had similar circumstances but handled those circumstances differently. The existing mandatory, Stiverne, agreed to put his mandatory status on the line against Breazeale. That is how Breazeale wound up in a final eliminator. However, unexpectedly, Ortiz was pulled from the main event and Stiverne had to take his place. That allowed Breazeale to fight the highest available contender to become mandatory. Because it was such short notice, Molina ended up being the highest rated contender willing to step in.

In Whyte's case, the existing mandatory, Breazeale, agreed to put his mandatory status on the line against Whyte. However, unexpectedly, Fury was pulled from the main event and Breazeale had to take his place. That allowed Whyte to fight the highest available contender to become the mandatory.

But he refused to fight the highest available contender and instead chose to fight Rivas. Whyte has consistently refused to fight who he was supposed to fight to become mandatory and instead chose to fight whoever he wanted. That's not how you become mandatory. That's why he's been #1 for 550 days and still isn't mandatory. All he has to do is fight the highest available contender and he refuses to do so.
The WBC didn't say Breazeale - Molina would be a final eliminator. Breazeale hadn't actually fought one they just retroactively decided to say it was in an obvious act of corruption. Breazeale should've had to earn it against the likes of Whyte or Ortiz first.
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Charlo definitely getting screwed. He doesn't seem to be complaining about it though.
Maybe Charlo knows that Golovkin has to come see him if the Canelo rubber match doesn't get made..
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I agree with Jermall Charlo! Who relinquished his WBC Belt at 154 to move up. Usually when that happens, like with Usyk and the recent WBO Positioning, those guys get shots immediately. Charlo to his credit has kept it classy and been very Patient with the WBC, he say he is not getting any step aside money but I'm not so sure about that because he is being extremely patient with the WBC despite him actually have a more legit case than Dillian Whyte

Prograis was about to get the run around by the WBC, Jose Ramirez and Bob Arum so he joined WBSS instead of playing their Waiting/Marination Game that Arum wanted to play
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Maybe Charlo knows that Golovkin has to come see him if the Canelo rubber match doesn't get made..
Why would Golovkin have to do that? And is Golovkin an adequate substitute for your rightful title shot against the face (and cash cow) of boxing?
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The WBC didn't say Breazeale - Molina would be a final eliminator. Breazeale hadn't actually fought one they just retroactively decided to say it was in an obvious act of corruption. Breazeale should've had to earn it against the likes of Whyte or Ortiz first.
Your views appear to be based on faulty information. I understand there is a lot of misinformation out there, but the truth is that the WBC did say the fight would be a final eliminator.

Here is the official WBC schedule that was posted before the fight:

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All of the organizations are corrupt. All of the promoters are corrupt. That's a given. We all know boxing is one of the most corrupt sports on the planet.

But it's simply a fact that Whyte turned down final eliminators from both the IBF and WBC and never asked the WBO for a final eliminator even though he's been rated #1 in the WBO for a while.

We can debate whether Whyte made the right business move in each instance. I'm not saying he didn't have good reasons for not properly pursuing the mandatory position in these organizations. Being the mandatory isn't necessarily desirable if you are already a commercially viable fighter.

But you continue to insist a final eliminator isn't a final eliminator if it's to crown the second mandatory and you don't get to just invent your own language. It's not that uncommon for a division to have two mandatories and the second mandatory often attains his position by winning a final eliminator. If you think the terminology should be changed, fine, but that is the terminology that exists whether you or I like it or not.
Doesn’t matter how many times you say it, it wouldn’t be true. Try again... You can say it until you are blue in the face and it wouldn’t make it true. Fact is he turned down their offer of a secondary mandatory. Instead of guaranteeing him to be next if he beats Ortiz, the corrupt WBC wanted to protect Wilder from Whyte again. You know it, I know it, the rest of your sheep knows it. This is why you are trying too hard with the whole he turned down a “Final eliminator”
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Your views appear to be based on faulty information. I understand there is a lot of misinformation out there, but the truth is that the WBC did say the fight would be a final eliminator.

Here is the official WBC schedule that was posted before the fight:

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Another lie. Am beginning to think you are that WBC/WBA/IBF guy. You post repetitive information even when your info is wrong, your joint date is May 2019... Hmm this is getting very similar.
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