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Old 06-11-2019, 12:41 AM #33311
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there's a decade now worth of data and reporting on the effects of the Mexican drug war which you're trying to debunk and make yourself sound cool with anecdotal experience of not having father and standing on a ghetto street corner yelling plymouth rock. and don picardo took a vacation there once.
If Mexico was a great place, Mexicans wouldn't be risking their lives trying to flee it and come here illegally by the tens of thousands.

Being a Texan, I know people with family in Mexico who used to routinely travel back there to visit them, see friends, etc.

None of them has been back in years, and none have plans to go anytime soon. They say it's just too dangerous, even for those who grew up there and speak Spanish fluently, etc.

It's always been a bit sketchy for non-Mexicans who don't speak Spanish to venture down there (even with Mexican family/friends in tow), but now even native Mexicans are at higher risks these days.


I'd wager my bottom dollar my son has never ventured down there, nor has any family or friends who are/were Mexican citizens.

As usual for the NPC he is, he just mindlessly repeats what CNN,MSNBC, Mother Jones, HuffPo, etc tell him.

I'm fairly confident the attorney who doesn't grasp basic case law falls in the same category as well.
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:58 AM #33312
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If Mexico was a great place, Mexicans wouldn't be risking their lives trying to flee it and come here illegally by the tens of thousands.

Being a Texan, I know people with family in Mexico who used to routinely travel back there to visit them, see friends, etc.

None of them has been back in years, and none have plans to go anytime soon. They say it's just too dangerous, even for those who grew up there and speak Spanish fluently, etc.

It's always been a bit sketchy for non-Mexicans who don't speak Spanish to venture down there (even with Mexican family/friends in tow), but now even native Mexicans are at higher risks these days.


I'd wager my bottom dollar my son has never ventured down there, nor has any family or friends who are/were Mexican citizens.

As usual for the NPC he is, he just mindlessly repeats what CNN,MSNBC, Mother Jones, HuffPo, etc tell him.

I'm fairly confident the attorney who doesn't grasp basic case law falls in the same category as well.
Only poor Mexicans come over. It is a great place. You should go there. Lol

Middle class and well off Mexicans donít come here.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:02 AM #33313
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We dont convict people of obstruction of justice without an underlying crime.

And in this case there is no underlying crime.
Gentlemen, my apologies for such a lengthy deliberation. I have arrived at my decision. I find that the claim made by 1bad, quoted above, stands up under the scrutiny of travesty. While some legal scholars have proctored the idea that obstruction can happen without an underlying offense, I haven't seen any evidence of a conviction for obstruction without the existence of an underlying offense.

My first question was what are the parameters of "underlying crime". I asked 1bad, and his answer included the Stewart case, and the conviction of the broker on the insider trading crime. He made it clear that the underlying crime did not have to be committed by the person guilty of obstruction. One of the articles submitted by travesty illustrates this.

Courts ranging from Utah, to Michigan, to Florida have held that defendants can form the corrupt intent required for obstruction of justice, without committing an underlying crime, if they seek to protect their own reputations or shield family and friends from criminal liability

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In the Stewart case, the underlying crime was the insider trading and securities fraud. The article submitted by travesty seems to acknowledge that there was an underlying crime right after saying there wasn't.

regardless of whether she was ever found guilty or even charged with committing the crimes that were the focus of the criminal investigation

the U.S. Attorney explained that he used his prosecutorial discretion in deciding not to bring insider trading charges against Ms. Stewart

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The Libby case was more difficult to ponder. I did not agree with 1bad that the underlying crime was the lying to Congress (or whatever) Mr Libby was charged with. I saw that as the feds just ramping up charges, ie. If I shoot at a house, I can get charged with attempted murder, shooting an occupied dwelling, unlawful discharge, etc for one overt act. However, it is travesty job to refute the claim, and I don't believe the Libby case does that.

The underlying crime for Libby was the unlawful release of that CIA agents information. Unlike the Stewart case where there was a conviction for the underlying crime, no one was charged in the Platt affair. So I wondered whether or not a crime was committed.

Unlike the Trump case, which is a covert act and it can be argued never happened without sufficient evidence, the Platt affair was an overt act. It's like the Kennedy assassination. Even though no one was ever charged, it's quite obvious a crime was committed. Ms Platt information was obviously released in an unlawful way. It's that crime that Mr Libby was obstructing the justice of.

While I've read legal conjecture of the idea, I haven't seen any real evidence or case law that suggests a person can be convicted of obstruction without an underlying crime. I rule in favor of 1bad and will impose judgment.

Defense has 10 days to submit all appeal paperwork to the Court.

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Old 06-11-2019, 03:13 PM #33314
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soooo....


the guy who made the documentary about the central park five (and imo how he made trump the central point of it) is a LONG TIME democrat shill.....


even made an anti trump speech at a college and has also donated to the DNC etc.....



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Old 06-11-2019, 03:26 PM #33315
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soooo....


the guy who made the documentary about the central park five (and imo how he made trump the central point of it) is a LONG TIME democrat shill.....


even made an anti trump speech at a college and has also donated to the DNC etc.....



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biased much?
Trumpís actions speak for themselves
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soooo....


the guy who made the documentary about the central park five (and imo how he made trump the central point of it) is a LONG TIME democrat shill.....


even made an anti trump speech at a college and has also donated to the DNC etc.....



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biased much?
What Central Park 5 documentary?
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:33 PM #33318
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I have to ask, we were told Trump would start WW3, the stock market would crash, the world would pretty much just end if he became POTUS. Is there something Im not understanding? You guys cheer-lead the same talking points and meanwhile things are just fine.

Does it ever get old just making fun of what he says? I mean Dems wont do ANYTHING to better the people yet Trump gets the blame. The only focus has been Russia and when that was debunked they're still trying to bring it up lol.

Now I know you guys are fearful he will get elected again but cmon. Get some **** done!
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:41 PM #33319
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I have to ask, we were told Trump would start WW3, the stock market would crash, the world would pretty much just end if he became POTUS. Is there something Im not understanding? You guys cheer-lead the same talking points and meanwhile things are just fine.

Does it ever get old just making fun of what he says? I mean Dems wont do ANYTHING to better the people yet Trump gets the blame. The only focus has been Russia and when that was debunked they're still trying to bring it up lol.

Now I know you guys are fearful he will get elected again but cmon. Get some **** done!
I suggest that you look up Trumpís actions and the Central Park 5

Btw, has Trump done anything as President?

Lots of tweets and babbling but **** all action
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Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment for women, blacks, Hispanics EVER! Tax cuts for the working class and businesses, and actually trying to stop illegal immigration instead of just talking about it like the past 4 globalist puppets who have been in there.

Youíre right, actions do speak louder than words.
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