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Old 06-06-2019, 02:50 PM #31
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It took less than 500 spaniards to wipe them off the map.
Lol those 500 spaniards were on a full retreat until they ran into enemy tribes of the Aztecs. The enemy tribes joined forces with the Spaniards to finally rid them of their powerful enemies. Fair play to the Spaniards but it wasnt 500 brave Bull runners that "conquered" the Aztecs. Lol
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:52 PM #32
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The Conquistadors were Spaniards. Where are all the great Spanish boxers then?
Hahahaha good1! But Kiko Martinez doe...
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:54 PM #33
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Simple: Environment and culture (socialization).
This. It also helps that part of that particular environment and culture is having, best I can tell, the highest # of pro boxers per capita of all the major boxing nations. For every Chavez or Canelo or Ruiz there's a 1000 who ain't.

Per boxrec Mexico with a population of about 130 million has 2419 pro boxers (male) in all classes, 1 per 54000. The USA with 328 million citizens has only slightly more at 2681, 1 per 122000, with the UK falling in between at approx 1 per 70000.

I'm gonna take a wild stab and guess that if you averaged out the # of titles held with the # of professional fighters coming from a country over a significant time frame you'd find that basically there ain't that much difference between the success of nations per capita. Might find the newer boxing nations such as the Ukraine and Russian skew this a little since the trail has been blazed by elite amateurs without the mass of journeymen who make up the bulk of fighters in the traditional boxing nations (Ukraine for instance only has 190 pro fighters from a population 45 mil but is heavy with elite talent) but this phenomenon will fade over time. In short people are people and it's very much more about the individual and the opportunities available to em that any particular race or culture being better fighters.

As pointed out by 'Pandas above every culture that has survived to the present day has a strong martial tradition, but ultimately the biggest deciding factor of which countries produce the most boxers seems to be a combination of tradition and access to the sport and poverty - or at least wealth inequality. In the majority hardship and lack of alternative opportunities are what drive people to try to make a living from beating the snot out of each other.
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:58 PM #34
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It took less than 500 spaniards to wipe them off the map.
nope ever heard of "La noche triste" look it up. The Spaniards were gettin they asses whooped even with guns and cannons and horses, they was gettin their shít pushed in until they unified rival indigenous tribes on their side to take down the Mexicahs (Aztecs).

Not to mention the diseases they were spreadin, smallpox, malaria, yellow fever, measles that we had no immunity to

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Old 06-06-2019, 02:58 PM #35
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It's the diet and tough upbringing along with will power and motivation to win..no one is superior to anyone else ..all these clobless about Aztec warriors or Gispy power etc
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If we had this discussion 40 years ago it would be about the Philadelphia fighting spirit. 30 years ago it was about the Brownsville fighting culture. 30 years from now it will probably be the Somalian fighting spirit or something like that.
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:59 PM #36
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The lingo they speak is a clue to the answer to your question. I believe it is known as "Spanish"
Spaniards hate the way Mexicans speak spanish and we think they speak like f.a.g.s with lisp so if the language is all u can hold onto to prove your point its a very weak point in 2019.
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:02 PM #37
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nope ever heard of "La noche triste" look it up. The Spaniards were gettin they asses whooped even with guns and cannons and horses, they was gettin their shít pushed in until they unified rival indigenous tribes on their side to take down the Mexicahs (Aztecs).

Not to mention the diseases they were spreadin, smallpox, malaria, yellow fever, measles that we had no immunity to
Not to forget all the nasty STDs they brought.
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:10 PM #38
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Not to forget all the nasty STDs they brought.
oh most def. them boys had all kinda advantages and white people still wanna brag about that shít LOL
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:12 PM #39
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This. It also helps that part of that particular environment and culture is having, best I can tell, the highest # of pro boxers per capita of all the major boxing nations. For every Chavez or Canelo or Ruiz there's a 1000 who ain't.

Per boxrec Mexico with a population of about 130 million has 2419 pro boxers (male) in all classes, 1 per 54000. The USA with 328 million citizens has only slightly more at 2681, 1 per 122000, with the UK falling in between at approx 1 per 70000.

I'm gonna take a wild stab and guess that if you averaged out the # of titles held with the # of professional fighters coming from a country over a significant time frame you'd find that basically there ain't that much difference between the success of nations per capita. Might find the newer boxing nations such as the Ukraine and Russian skew this a little since the trail has been blazed by elite amateurs without the mass of journeymen who make up the bulk of fighters in the traditional boxing nations (Ukraine for instance only has 190 pro fighters from a population 45 mil but is heavy with elite talent) but this phenomenon will fade over time. In short people are people and it's very much more about the individual and the opportunities available to em that any particular race or culture being better fighters.

As pointed out by 'Pandas above every culture that has survived to the present day has a strong martial tradition, but ultimately the biggest deciding factor of which countries produce the most boxers seems to be a combination of tradition and access to the sport and poverty - or at least wealth inequality. In the majority hardship and lack of alternative opportunities are what drive people to try to make a living from beating the snot out of each other.
Excellent post. Agreed, top to bottom! Cheers, bud.
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:13 PM #40
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Do you really not know the difference between someone who speaks Spanish and someone who is actually from Spain?

Do you consider english speaking Americans to be English?

Again where are the great boxers from Spain? There seem to be a lot from Mexico.
They are in Mexico, the descendants of the Conquistadors who virtually wiped out the Aztec males and impregnated the females with their warrior genes!
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