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  • #51
    Originally posted by SheenLantern View Post
    Pacquiao

    Workrate, speed, accuracy, power, cardio. Talk about a balanced breakfast.
    Manny Pacquiao had a tendency to stand square on, is not accurate with single punches. 'He even in his prime was very repetitive and not creative at times'.

    Here are a list of some great offensive fighters in no real order.

    Mike Tyson.

    Evander Holyfield.

    Nigel Benn.

    Roy Jones Junior.

    Ricky Hatton 'One of the last great body punchers, really dedicated himself to the body attack'

    Those are fighters that spring to my mind.
    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 03-14-2019, 03:42 PM.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by ron davis View Post
      How about a guy who had over 300 fights, amateur and pro and never suffered ( over 10,000 punches) a cut. It wasn't Arguello, Jofre, Robinson, Duran, Julio Chavez,Sr. and through in all the Champions and contenders, before the Golden Age of Boxing and after, till now. He wasn't a jumping around boxer, wasting energy and throwing punches into the air. He was over enthusiastic, a sharp shooter and came right at you, with chin sunk into chest, throwing damaging punches that could paralyze. Armstrong, Ambers, Montanez and all the rest found that out. Go to EBAY, search under Henry Armstrong, Davey Day, Ambers, all together and read the narrative, including pictures of the (history) fights and fighters. Davey Day Exhibit card 1933. "It won't hurt to know the truth". Cheers.
      Who are you talking about ?

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      • #53
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
        Manny Pacquiao had a tendency to stand square on, is not accurate with single punches. 'He even in his prime was very repetitive and not creative at times'.

        Here are a list of some great offensive fighters in no real order.

        Mike Tyson.

        Evander Holyfield.

        Nigel Benn.

        Roy Jones Junior.

        Ricky Hatton 'One of the last great body punchers, really dedicated himself to the body attack'

        Those are fighters that spring to my mind.
        - -Field was 28-10-2 as a heavy and lost more heavy title fights in history with nobody being close.

        You must be thinking somewhere in another distant universe.

        Nothing wrong wit squaring up when finishing a fighter. Every style has strengths and weaknesses, and manny's offense reminded the fans of Pacman, hence the name.

        Maybe you don't know Pacman, but you could google...

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        • #54
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
          - -Field was 28-10-2 as a heavy and lost more heavy title fights in history with nobody being close.

          You must be thinking somewhere in another distant universe.

          Nothing wrong wit squaring up when finishing a fighter. Every style has strengths and weaknesses, and manny's offense reminded the fans of Pacman, hence the name.

          Maybe you don't know Pacman, but you could google...
          How dare you insult the bastard maker. He hit true and on target all the time! was pretty good in the ring as well.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
            - -Field was 28-10-2 as a heavy and lost more heavy title fights in history with nobody being close.

            You must be thinking somewhere in another distant universe.

            Nothing wrong wit squaring up when finishing a fighter. Every style has strengths and weaknesses, and manny's offense reminded the fans of Pacman, hence the name.

            Maybe you don't know Pacman, but you could google...
            Manny Pacquiao could not throw a combination with standing square on 'These are the facts', his speed and willingness to throw multiple punches made up for this offensive mistakes. 'A offense like that was never going to trouble Floyd Mayweather, even though the Mayweather of the Pacquiao fight was nowhere near his best form'.

            Evander Holyfield was one of the greatest offensive fighters in history, even in a loss he proved this statement. Against Riddick Bowe and also how he adapted in his second fight against Lennox Lewis 'And the fight against Valuev in which he should of won'. That is a mark of a great fighter, winning credit even during a lost. 'Manny Pacquiao has never achieved this'.

            For there as just no creativity with Manny Pacquiao, he reaches with his punches a lot aswell and has minimal inside game. He operates at mid rage, up close? He never really knew what to do, you could not say the same for Evander Holyfield.

            Bottom line is mate? Pacquiao has been sparked out badly, mainly due to the offensive mistakes I have mentioned. Evander Holyfield may have been beaten, but no heavyweight owned him inside of the ring 'Even during his worst performances'.

            Mike Tyson even in his later career, not at any point did he RUN into a punch. 'Pacquaio made too many offensive mistakes in my opinion and always has'.

            Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 03-15-2019, 01:44 PM.

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            • #56
              - -The fact that you have to mention Valuev to support Field shows the limitations of your level.

              Field had a suspended license after the Byrd fight and had to fight out in the sticks much like Joe Mesi.

              Nobody wanted to be the one who put him 6' under, so he got kid gloves treatment. Valuev tried to get out of the fight but was contractually bound to DKing who passed Field around for the Russians. Field got $75k for his pittance.

              Your clip shows BALCO Marquez 4 where Manny went in to finish him but stepped on his lead foot to knock Manny off balance and a free target.

              Interestingly BALCO Juan turned down the lucrative 5th fight just like he turned down the 2nd for a career purse to fly to Indonesia to get schooled by Chris John for $25K. Never pursued that rematch even though John came to America to fight for the same promoter, GoldenBoy.

              Thanks for all the reminders, man, you're a gold mine!!!

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              • #57
                Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
                Manny Pacquiao had a tendency to stand square on, is not accurate with single punches. 'He even in his prime was very repetitive and not creative at times'.

                Here are a list of some great offensive fighters in no real order.

                Mike Tyson.

                Evander Holyfield.

                Nigel Benn.

                Roy Jones Junior.

                Ricky Hatton 'One of the last great body punchers, really dedicated himself to the body attack'

                Those are fighters that spring to my mind.
                RoyJones JR.? You just proved you know nothing. Go hang your head.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                  RoyJones JR.? You just proved you know nothing. Go hang your head.
                  Roy Jones Junior yes, his offensive ability was immense. I don't see any fighter active today who has anywhere near the offensive ability of Roy Jones Junior, accuracy, speed, creativity, and co-ordination that has never been seen since his retirement. 'Roy Jones Junior was better than Manny Pacqauio that is for sure, who had a one dimensional offense. Just like the computer game charactor pacman'


                  Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 03-15-2019, 04:09 PM.

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                  • #59
                    Davey Day this is the guy. For more info, go to ebay search "davey day and henry armstrong" exhibit card 1933. Read the description, full info on the fighters of that period. Thank you.
                    Last edited by ron davis; 03-15-2019, 07:15 PM.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
                      Roy Jones Junior yes, his offensive ability was immense. I don't see any fighter active today who has anywhere near the offensive ability of Roy Jones Junior,
                      Yeah, it's called VADA... in fact, Jones himself fell victim to testing.

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