Did floyd really duck more fighters than pac

[Elroy The Great]

what a person says when their hero is on the outside looking in~

''he was ducked ''

[daggum]

what did i spin ?!?!? was he or was he not ruler of the ww ?!?!?!?

EVER ?!?!?!?

he had 1 maybe 2 decent moments in his career. never sustained anything but mediocrity.

did he or did he not get a shot at one of the "rulers" no. no he did not.

did he deserve one being a champ for 5 years and being ranked #1 for more than 3 years? yes but once again you are blaming the guy being ducked instead of the cowards doing the ducking.

thats why the lineage that floyd fans give so much credence to is meaningless. there was a clear #1 guy that nobody wanted to fight and its not like he was an unknown guy from antartica. he was a mexican fighting on hbo and showtime who was lobbying for the fights and never got them.

if ggg never becomes lineal at middleweight its the same thing. you will come on here saying he was mediocre and thats your opinion but mediocre or not he deserves a shot just like marg did.

[Elroy The Great]

did he or did he not get a shot at one of the "rulers" no. no he did not.

did he deserve one being a champ for 5 years and being ranked #1 for more than 3 years? yes but once again you are blaming the guy being ducked instead of the cowards doing the ducking.

thats why the lineage that floyd fans give so much credence to is meaningless. there was a clear #1 guy that nobody wanted to fight and its not like he was an unknown guy from antartica. he was a mexican fighting on hbo and showtime who was lobbying for the fights and never got them.

if ggg never becomes lineal at middleweight its the same thing. you will come on here saying he was mediocre and thats your opinion but mediocre or not he deserves a shot just like marg did.

IOW.....the sport had it in for margarito. and he proved once he ''beat'' cotto. the highlight, no, signature win.

he showed the sport that he deserved to have been the uncrowned ww ruler. he went on to such great things after that, while cotto languished fighting bums and has-beens.

oh, wait

[ADP02]

cause pac was off his roids, remember when his team said manny didnt want drug testing because he was scared of needles and de la hoya was like "what? look at his arms, he is tattooed" then the tards changed their stories ROFL.

Hummmm, it was a negotiation not the NSAC rules.

Remember where Manny complained even BEFORE the negotiations started, in a video, that he felt that giving blood affected his performance against Morales? So Manny, who never did drug testing during the training period and just before a fight, thought it would be a disadvantage.

Floyd fans and Floyd called that BS. Giving <1 tbsp. of blood 5 or 6 times does not affect training/fight. OK, no problem but that was Manny's concern.

but

May 1st 2015, Floyd uses a banned method and his excuse was that he had to have an IV instead of the alternative, drinking fluids and used these BS excuses as to why he needed an IV:
- gave urine
- gave <1 tbsp. blood 10 days before
- exercised a bit the day before.

Floyd and his fans believed Floyd's BS story that is in conflict with what they all said was BS for 6 years!!!!

[Bjl12]

No chance lol

Floyd fought the fresher version of every good Pac win besides Barrera and Morales. The only fight that Floyd should've had but didn't was Paul Williams. People crying about Margarito are absolute jackas.ses. Margarito was this boogeyman who had a 1-fight prime, beating Cotto, then got DESTROYED by Mosley in his very next fight. Oh he was also caught using illegal handwraps. What a tough guy !

Pac was by far the more careful matchmaker fighting Cotto after the Margarito fight at a catchweight, Margarito after the Mosley beating at a catchweight with a rehydration clause, Hatton after Mayweather (and looked like **** against all following opponents), failed attempts against an old JMM (including KTFO6), etc.

Also, some people on here let it pass for whatever reason (maybe too biased, too dumb, or just don't care), but there's a very real likelihood Pac was doping on his rise to WW. His persistence on a drug testing issues (cutoff dates, giving blood weakened him, afraid of needles, Floyd doesn't make the rules, etc.) is beyond suspicious and was outright DUCKING for a good 2-3 years. To this day many people on this forum say "Floyd dodged the 2009-2010 Pacman" even though that Pacman DODGED drug testing and required an outdoor stadium to be built to host the fight.

It's a 2-way street and Pooch is a coward who juices, drains opponents, and a hypocrite who uses drugs but wants to kill other drug users which probably makes him perfect for politics in hindsight

[Bjl12]

how could judah be the man if he just lost to a journeyman in a tune up?

how can you be undisputed if marg had the wbo belt for 5 years?

Judah was a bigger attraction probably and that fight was very entertaining lol. Anyhow, Floyd went on to fight journeyman Baldomir and beat him too. Oh, by the way, Margarito was also a journeyman with a bunch of losses including a recent loss to Paul Williams.

People do a lot of revisionary stuff when they dislike someone. Margarito was one of a handful of WW contenders clamoring for the throne with Floyd at the top. You've got Cotto there (undefeated and clearly the #1 contender), Margarito (journeyman with iron chin and bunch of losses), Baldomir (journeyman with iron chin and bunch of losses), and Paul Williams (very tall, long reach, rangy, and undefeated).

Margarito is only a boogeyman if you make him out to be one. Saying Floyd ducked Paul Williams is acceptable to me, but saying Margarito is a flat-out wash. Margs was this relatively unknown fighter BEFORE the Cotto fight. He was like a Maidana type fighter (tough fighter, iron chin, already a few losses, but has this reputation as being dodged). So he FINALLY gets his shot and wins a memorable fight against Cotto. WOW. INCREDIBLE. Very next fight = Shane Mosley.

Illegal Hand Wraps discovered, KTFO/TKO in 6 or 8 I forget. An absolute ASS WHOOPING. Guess what? That win got Mosley the Floyd fight. So if Margs was so good and #1 contender he A) should've beaten Mosley and B) shouldn't have been using illegal ****ing hand wraps and C) is a little ***** with 1 eye

He blew his chance at fighting Floyd by losing to Shane

[ADP02]

No chance lol

Floyd fought the fresher version of every good Pac win besides Barrera and Morales. The only fight that Floyd should've had but didn't was Paul Williams. People crying about Margarito are absolute jackas.ses. Margarito was this boogeyman who had a 1-fight prime, beating Cotto, then got DESTROYED by Mosley in his very next fight. Oh he was also caught using illegal handwraps. What a tough guy !

Pac was by far the more careful matchmaker fighting Cotto after the Margarito fight at a catchweight, Margarito after the Mosley beating at a catchweight with a rehydration clause, Hatton after Mayweather (and looked like **** against all following opponents), failed attempts against an old JMM (including KTFO6), etc.

Also, some people on here let it pass for whatever reason (maybe too biased, too dumb, or just don't care), but there's a very real likelihood Pac was doping on his rise to WW. His persistence on a drug testing issues (cutoff dates, giving blood weakened him, afraid of needles, Floyd doesn't make the rules, etc.) is beyond suspicious and was outright DUCKING for a good 2-3 years. To this day many people on this forum say "Floyd dodged the 2009-2010 Pacman" even though that Pacman DODGED drug testing and required an outdoor stadium to be built to host the fight.

It's a 2-way street and Pooch is a coward who juices, drains opponents, and a hypocrite who uses drugs but wants to kill other drug users which probably makes him perfect for politics in hindsight

Hatton was KING at 140 where Manny fought him not at 147 where Floyd fought him. Hatton's only win at 147 some say he should have lost.

Margarito was a WW that had a few extra pounds for the JMM fight. That was not a bad thing for Margarito!


2009/2010 I already mentioned, the concern for Manny was giving blood since he felt it would affect training/fight. Years later, it was Floyd that used that excuse for real!!!!

So are you calling Floyd a PEDs cheat now? just asking!


Oh, and you are looking at it backwards. Floyd declined Margarito way before there was any issues about hand wraps and before losing to Mosley/Manny.

During that period, they all fought each other except for Floyd who decided to go on vacation .... just before that, Floyd could have fought any WW but decided to fight a 140lb fighter at 147lbs then comes back and fights a 130-135in Marquez at 144 then last second comes in at 146!

[Bjl12]

Hatton was KING at 140 where Manny fought him not at 147 where Floyd fought him. Hatton's only win at 147 some say he should have lost.

Margarito was a WW that had a few extra pounds for the JMM fight. That was not a bad thing for Margarito!


2009/2010 I already mentioned, the concern for Manny was giving blood since he felt it would affect training/fight. Years later, it was Floyd that used that excuse for real!!!!

So are you calling Floyd a PEDs cheat now? just asking!


Oh, and you are looking at it backwards. Floyd declined Margarito way before there was any issues about hand wraps and before losing to Mosley/Manny.

During that period, they all fought each other except for Floyd who decided to go on vacation .... just before that, Floyd could have fought any WW but decided to fight a 140lb fighter at 147lbs then comes back and fights a 130-135in Marquez at 144 then last second comes in at 146!

If you are American you definitely voted for Trump because everything - every single point you tried to make - is literally bull****.

Get your GED and then we can talk

[koolkc107]

When the word "duck" is used, it's almost always a matter of perspective.

And usually, there is another explanation that has nothing to do with an outright avoidance of another fighter- rival network deals, promoters who refuse to work together, other bad blood between principal parties, etc.

For example, I could list over 30 different champions (major beltholders) that Pac could have fought but somehow found a way not to during his career when he was a beltholder himself in the same weightclass- including the lower weights.

Does this mean Manny ducked 30 guys? Hell no.

Sheer numbers tell you he could not have fought them all by the way fights are done in the modern era.

So no, I don't think Floyd ducked a whole lot of guys either; as a matter of fact, I don't think he outright ducked anyone. Most will point to 'Cheato except there is youtube clips of Floyd basically promising Antonio a shot if he keeps winning- which of course 'Cheato was unable to do.

The guys I would name as Floyd not wanting too much to do with are only two and are names a whole lot of other welters were happy to swerve as well: PWill and a prime Maravilla at 154.

That's it.

[Pigeons]

The tears in this thread are so salty. Stay salty, my friends.