Military coup in Zimbabwe. Mugabe ousted.

[RomanReigns]

It's about damn time.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Funny when Hectari was posting all these threads with black people, none of these dudes were complaining about them, but now of all of a sudden everyone has a problem.

Nowhere to be found. I stayed out of topics I didn't like. For some reason they can't do the same.

Yup



I've seen plenty of other stories about this, and aside from you they all left race out of it.



I don't want or need anything except the relevant facts.

And in this case race isn't relevant to anyone but you.

Of course they left race out. That should tell you something about the places you're getting your news. You can't talk Zim without talking race. The move that changed the history of the country was Mugabe seizing land from the white colonizers and giving it back to the rightful owners. The story of Mugabe is removing British rule, imperialism and minority white rule from Zim. You can't tell the story of Zim and Mugabe without talking about race. Are you crazy?

He is responsible for nearly 50,000 deaths in Zimbabwe.

This from The Zimbabwean...a newspaper founded by a black Zimbabwean...written by a black Zimbabwean.

http://www.thezimbabwean.co/2017/07/...derous-crimes/

Mugabe should be jailed for his murderous crimes

Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe is now 93 years old, and one can not help wondering when he will face justice for all the murderous crimes he committed on the people of this country.


Have the people of Zimbabwe, and the international community, resigned themselves to just waiting for his death?

What is so special about a president that he is treated any differently from the rest of us – besides, he is supposed to have been elected by the people, and as such, is answerable to the people?

If it was poor Kelvin who had killed a single person, the whole world would be after me, with InterPol on my tail.

Even Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for years as he hides away from being dragged back to face sexual abuse charges in Sweden.

So what is the big deal with Mugabe?

He is responsible for nearly 50,000 deaths in Zimbabwe – both during the Gukurahundi and 2000s era.

This is obviously not including those who were maimed for life, abducted, tortured, sexually abused, had their homes razed…the list goes on.

When is he going to be held accountable?

Does becoming a president mean one has joined a club of those that can do anything with impunity?

The international community is definitely not serious, as they can not tell us that presidents are so difficult to arrest – as I seriously doubt that.

There needs to be a serious reevaluation of international statutes in order to enable nations to arrest rogue leaders more easily.

There is need for some serious changes to the Rome Statutes, as the status quo is unsustainable.

How can a leader be given the choice if he/she would want to be held accountable by the International Criminal Court (ICC)?

Does that make sense?

The United Nations should have realised it by now that local courts seldom hold their own leaders to account, and as such, the ICC should not be the court of last resort, but one that ordinary citizens run to as a first resort – and warrants of arrests issued.

Nevertheless, as the situation stands today, we – the victims of Mugabe’s vile oppression – should be able to open litigation against him even in British courts, so that should he ever set foot in the UK, he would be arrested.

We urge Zimbabweans in the US to do the same, such that when he attends the next UN General Assembly meeting, he should be immediately arrested.

Mugabe is nothing but an aging psychopathic murderer, and I can never imagine him going to his grave without ever having stood in the dock to answer for his crimes, and be put in jail.

Leaders of Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, were put on trial in their old age for their atrocities which they committed in the 1970s – although they died one by one during the long trial.

Mugabe needs to face justice – and if, obviously, local courts can not do it, then courts in other countries need to do it.

If that does not happen, then what message is the international community sending out there?

That it is alright for a leader to massacre his/her own people, as he/she would never be held accountable.

What type of world would that be?

So why do we make a whole lot of noise about Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust when the international community is busy encouraging the creation of more Hitlers?

Mugabe is one of those Hitlers that the world is just watching and doing absolutely nothing about.

Already he has started political violence in the run up to the 2018 elections, and the world looks on with indifference.

So, 50 or 100 more people will probably be killed, and that doesn’t matter to the world.

How many deaths are too much for the international community?

I am sure, they will never be enough, as we have seen with Syria’s Bashir al Assad, and other leaders who have been allowed to kill their own people with impunity.

The people of Zimbabwe have had enough of this murderous Mugabe.

We will not continue sitting by whilst he kills Zimbabweans as if we are some vermin.

We need to stand together and make sure that one way or another, by any means necessary, he is brought to book.

He can never go into the grave without having a day in court to answer to the people of Zimbabwe.

We need to know why.

Why he killed so many people, why he brutalised all those people, why tens of thousands of children were deprived of their fathers and mothers.

He needs to give answers not as some arrogant president on the podium, but as a murder accused in the dock – in full prison regalia, complete with hand cuffs and leg irons.

We need to see him get off the back of those prison trucks, getting into court to answer those questions.

Mugabe can not die, and should not die without going through all that, as that man has destroyed too many lives…and for what?

Just to stay in power!

We are not presidents, so what?

We did not die just because we are not presidents, neither are we suffering as a result of that.

So what is so special about being president that one feels they need to murder?

Time is fast running out and the people of Zimbabwe need to see their tormentor Robert Gabriel Mugabe in court to answer for his murders, and in jail for whatever time he has left on this planet, as most of us need closure for the trauma he has caused us.

Kelvin Kudenga is a UK based activist.

[Motorcity Cobra]

If anyones behind it its the Chinese. China holds a lot of power in Africa, provide construction in exchange for mining. You wanna point fingers thats the way to point.

When will RHA achieve profitable production?

RHA should achieve profitable production in the latter part of Q4, 2017. Throughput from the underground is expected at not less than 6,000 tonnes per month and the plant is expected to be profitable at that rate without any additional ore from the underground mine.

Production from the underground mine will be scaled up incrementally to the targeted design rate, this is expected to be achieved during Q2 2018 which would generate a net positive cashflow of around US$547,000 per month on an EBITDA basis based on the anticipated ore grades, plant through-puts, recoveries as well as current APT price. The initial production target excludes any production from the open pit mine.

https://www.premierafricanminerals.com/investors/faq

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[1bad65]

Of course they left race out. That should tell you something about the places you're getting your news.

It tells me they aren't hung up on race like you are.

You can't talk Zim without talking race.

Yes, YOU can't talk about anything without talking race.

Are you crazy?

Maybe so, maybe not. Depends on who you ask.

But at least I'm not online all day starting threads about race.

[Randall Cunning]

https://www.premierafricanminerals.com/investors/faq

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I listened to the guy speak, sounds like hes from Zimbabwe, just a businessman. Hardly to the scale of Chinese operations in Africa http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...he-real-story/

Theres reports appearing now that a member of Zimbabwes military visited China 2 weeks ago, thoughts to ask for Chinas approval to what was about to happen https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nas-influence/

[Motorcity Cobra]

I listened to the guy speak, sounds like hes from Zimbabwe, just a businessman. Hardly to the scale of Chinese operations in Africa http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...he-real-story/

Theres reports appearing now that a member of Zimbabwes military visited China 2 weeks ago, thoughts to ask for Chinas approval to what was about to happen https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nas-influence/

Mnangagwa feels that reviving the commercial agriculture sector is vital, according to the documents. “Mnangagwa realises he needs the white farmers on the land when he gets into power … he will use the white farmers to resuscitate the agricultural industry, which he reckons is the backbone of the economy,” a Jan. 6, 2016 report reads.

In March 2015, the intelligence documents make the first mention of Mnangagwa meeting white farmers, including Charles Taffs, a former president of the Commercial Farmers Union (CFU), the farmers’ professional association. Some of the gatherings were boozy affairs, according to the intelligence reports.

“Mnangagwa had a slip of the tongue this week that angered Mugabe and Grace, when he told people who were around that ZANU-PF rigged the elections in 2013, this being said while under the influence of liquor,” a March 19, 2015 report reads.

“His drinking problem is worsening these days, being put down to the fact that certain white people, who include Taffs … have become friendly with Mnangagwa and have spoiled him with gifts of whisky. It is now party after party for Mnangagwa and his friends because he is provided with free whisky, supplied without any hitches and in great quantity.”

Mnangagwa and the information ministry did not comment.

A spokesman for the British embassy in Zimbabwe’s capital, Harare, said the UK was not involved in any plan for a coalition to succeed Mugabe. “The UK does not back any party, candidate, faction or coalition in Zimbabwe. It is up to Zimbabweans to choose who they want to govern them through a free and fair election.” The embassy said rumours and leaked intelligence documents were promoting disinformation.

He's a puppet for the West

[jreckoning]

Mugabe was terrible. Ask at least 80% of Zimbabwe what they think about him.
Zambia is right next door with less total resources and it looks like a paradise compared to it.

Right when you get in the country you have hordes of Zimbabweans trying to get a US dollar or two for 1,000,000 Zimbabwe dollars.

He really ****ed up that countries economy. Walk a block or two from the tourist areas and you see what the deal is. Really a shame because Zimbabwe has/had so much potential. Ask South Africans how they feel about the hordes of people flocking over the border when they already had a high unemployment rate.

The thing that got his senile ass ousted was he tried to get rid of one of his supporters in the anti-colonial struggle to put his idiotic wife in a powerful position. The military was like **** that.

I am not a big fan of coups but it's almost a case of anybody is better than him.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Mugabe was terrible. Ask at least 80% of Zimbabwe what they think about him.
Zambia is right next door with less total resources and it looks like a paradise compared to it.

Did Zambia have sanctions put on them by the west because they tried to give the land back to the rightful owners?

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Did Zambia have sanctions put on them by the west because they tried to give the land back to the rightful owners?

Black Zimbabweans in Harare and Victoria Falls told me they wished Ian Smith was back, the clearly white supremacist leader of Rhodesia that showed you how bad Mugabe was.

The biggest mistake they made with land reform is they didn't even give the land to proper farmers but government officials and his cronies who let it rot.
The corruption of that regime is ridiculous. The sanctions were for some of the barbaric acts of savagery his troops committed on innocent people and for the killing of political rivals. In short he acted like an animal and no western nations had any faith in that country and it's business practices.


Pile on that a raging centuries long tribal war and you have a powder keg of strife.

China will give them as much money as they want, well the connected officials. The people don't get ****.

I haven't been there in 2 years. I am sure it's all changed now, LOL.

[Motorcity Cobra]

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Black Zimbabweans in Harare and Victoria Falls told me they wished Ian Smith was back, the clearly white supremacist leader of Rhodesia that showed you how bad Mugabe was.

The biggest mistake they made with land reform is they didn't even give the land to proper farmers but government officials and his cronies who let it rot.
The corruption of that regime is ridiculous. The sanctions were for some of the barbaric acts of savagery his troops committed on innocent people and for the killing of political rivals. In short he acted like an animal and no western nations had any faith in that country and it's business practices.


Pile on that a raging centuries long tribal war and you have a powder keg of strife.

China will give them as much money as they want, well the connected officials. The people don't get ****.

I haven't been there in 2 years. I am sure it's all changed now, LOL.

You didn't answer my question