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Fighters that never had a close fight?
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Originally posted by T3dBundy View Postinstead of arguing with me go watch the first fight, listen to joe louis's commentary, the reaction of the crowd everytime clay makes liston miss a punch by an inch etc. and u might realize the fight is actually legit. liston took quite a beating in that fight and was extremely frustrated because clay was just too slick that day. the second fight the ref just ****ed it up, today ali would get disqualified for standing over liston instead of going to the neutral corner. he also listened to nat fleischer who said liston was already down for 20 seconds, i just think liston waited till the ref starts counting. it was a stupid stoppage imo.. the second fight took a lot away from the brilliancy of the first fight, the first fight is my favorit boxing match ever, ali's footwork was incredible.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostI watched it. You're not talking to a casual. I also read several books and developed an informed opinion. Not one based upon emotion or being swept off my feet by a fixed fight.
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No one. It only happens for a while in a career. Even Mayweather had a few close fights.
At their careers' beginnings fighters destined to be world class pugs often begin with an awesome streak. Anymore, every record is carefully crafted for any fighter with chances and minimal management. Quite a number of boxers are undefeated and have never (obviously) faced any of the other undefeateds in their divisions. But back in the days when records were less crafted for the young pro, one as crude as Gene Fullmer began his career looking like a big puncher if you went straight by the record book, because he KO'd his first fifteen or sixteen opponents. Actually, Gene was not a huge puncher but a world class mauler with stamina and chin.
For a while certain phenoms look invincible as they roll over the opposition like cardboard cutouts. That always happens and is part of what will always make speculation exciting. Any fan who lived through Mike Tyson's ascent, watching his fights on television remembers how impressed and excited they were.
One amazing feature of this in boxing is that a cute boxer can make the huge money you might guess would be reserved for those who really are deadly punchers in the ring. Amazingly, the record indicates that in fact a dandy boxer the public semi despises has the potential to out-earn the biggest punchers.
Well. If this, if that. If'n I'da. But anyway, a RJJ who retired right after Ruiz, never to don gloves again in a pro match, would have had an awfully loud claim to the title of this thread.Last edited by The Old LefHook; 12-21-2017, 09:04 PM.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostLouis was already suffering from early dementia, but ok, listen to him.
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Originally posted by T3dBundy View Postwhat r u suffering from? joe louis with dementia is 1000000x more credible than a newf*g in an internet forum hehe. u shouldn't try to change history and stop living in denial.
You're the one who is either afraid to read some books on boxing for fear of the truth, or you're just unable to. You get all your boxing knowledge from youtube and the internet. Don't be mad because your hero got some breaks early on and later in his career and wasn't The Greatest that he touted himself to be.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostSo Louis is the end all be all to this fight? He was paid to sit there and say nice things. At that stage of his life he needed every break he could get. Louis also said--prior to his dementia setting in--that he would have beaten Ali. Now what?
You're the one who is either afraid to read some books on boxing for fear of the truth, or you're just unable to. You get all your boxing knowledge from youtube and the internet. Don't be mad because your hero got some breaks early on and later in his career and wasn't The Greatest that he touted himself to be.Last edited by Schmerzen; 12-22-2017, 11:00 AM.
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Juan Manuel Marquez and Tim Bradley - they were robbed in every single defeat each of them ever had.
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