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Old 03-19-2018, 01:18 AM #11
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If Canelo wants to end this once and for all, then he will have to undergo the hair follicle testing. The best way to test for Clen is NOT via urine. It's through hair testing. It's already been proven that competitive bodybuilders get popped less for Clen via urine than they do hair testing. In this case, It's the only sure way differentiate between prolonged use of the drug itself and contamination via food consumption.

I'd like to see this presented as a serious option to Canelo via WBC, WBA, Team Golovkin, and the overall boxing community. If it's brought to Golden Boy as the only sure way to settle this once and for all, based on the studies of many doctors, forensic analysts, and sports medicine consultants, and Team Canelo still says NO - well then, we ALL would know Canelo was indeed dirty.

By the way. When Sulaiman says they're just being fair - that's not true. You can't exonerate someone without having all of the facts. WBC and WBA already said he is completely innocent without having a full investigation. That's very consistent with bias and is void of fairness.
is that how they caught him in the 1st place
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:23 AM #12
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Not only Canelo came positive, Nery, Chaves Jr, Eric Morales. JMM also is a cheat, Kameda is a suspect.
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No, they caught him via urine. (which isn't the best way to show if someone has been using the drug overtime or if it was a one time instance)

Other athletes that have been banned in their respective sports were also popped for Clen, via urine. But they had significantly less amounts in their urine.

If you get banned from a sport that that even admits that the levels that were found via urine were too insignificant to enhance performance - then you get someone who has levels that were approx 10x's the amount of certain athletes that were banned - red flags begin to pop up.
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:35 AM #14
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No, they caught him via urine. (which isn't the best way to show if someone has been using the drug overtime or if it was a one time instance)

Other athletes that have been banned in their respective sports were also popped for Clen, via urine. But they had significantly less amounts in their urine.

If you get banned from a sport that that even admits that the levels that were found via urine were too insignificant to enhance performance - then you get someone who has levels that were approx 10x's the amount of certain athletes that were banned - red flags begin to pop up.
just sayin.........
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I just want to see this put to rest. Take the hair follicle testing.

If it comes back negative - the fight continues, Canelo faces a fine (a fine heavy enough to ensure Team Canelo takes ALL necessary precautions from here on out when it comes to his diet in respect to meat in Mexico), and he just has to deal with the scrutiny, drawbacks, and the public questioning his credibility for however long the public chooses to keep it alive. (those are the drawbacks of getting popped)

If it's positive - fight cancelled, Canelo suspended, GGG receives a percentage of what he would've made this fight (not 100% of his guaranteed purse), Canelo is stripped of his Ring mag title, and is dropped from all rankings for the duration of said suspension. And upon returning, he should be placed in the 24/7 - 365 random vada testing. That way he can't go back to having long periods of time (between september and may) to cycle on and cycle off.

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Old 03-19-2018, 01:43 AM #16
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When has Marquez ever tested dirty for a PED??
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:50 AM #17
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100% agree this is how it should be approached but will it ever happen?
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100% agree this is how it should be approached but will it ever happen?
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Only way it happens is if they are pressured into it by the media and fans/boxing community are told that this is the only way to know for sure and hence, put it to rest.

Imagine Goldenboy/Canelo being hounded by numerous outlets to just take the hair follicle test. Fans joining in on it. His peers. Other boxers. Other athletes in different sports (soccer, cyclists).
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Whats 'fair' in allowing a athlete reap the benefits of a PED during his training whilst his competitor has to abide by the rules and train without any advantage? so because the dirty fighter gets popped at the end of his cycle its ok?

I've been reading comments that really make me cringe, for example the low amount of Clen in Nelos system is so insignificant that it does not help him : this is misleading, Clenbuterol is not some dormant drug that activates during a fight.; you go in with the benefits from your conditioning during your training, and VADA cant take that away when they discovered it -- you may have already increased your endurance and tolerance levels, decreases your appetite, cut weight, toned your muscles ( even increased them) , maximized oxygen flow to the muscle ect.
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If Canelo wants to end this once and for all, then he will have to undergo the hair follicle testing. The best way to test for Clen is NOT via urine. It's through hair testing. It's already been proven that competitive bodybuilders get popped less for Clen via urine than they do hair testing. In this case, It's the only sure way differentiate between prolonged use of the drug itself and contamination via food consumption.

I'd like to see this presented as a serious option to Canelo via WBC, WBA, Team Golovkin, and the overall boxing community. If it's brought to Golden Boy as the only sure way to settle this once and for all, based on the studies of many doctors, forensic analysts, and sports medicine consultants, and Team Canelo still says NO - well then, we ALL would know Canelo was indeed dirty.

By the way. When Sulaiman says they're just being fair - that's not true. You can't exonerate someone without having all of the facts. WBC and WBA already said he is completely innocent without having a full investigation. That's very consistent with bias and is void of fairness.

IF that is true..... isn't it too late ?

IF that is true..... then VADA dropped the ball because they should have followed up with more advanced testing immediately


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yea, good point
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