did you enjoy joe calzaghe fights

[Mindgames]

No, he was not consensus #1. He was not even consensus #2.

The highest he has ever been ranked is #3. He was #3 according to The Ring and has never been #1 on any ranking list.

So it is you that is trying to rewrite history.

"The man" refers to the Lineal Champion and he has never been that and has never been #1 either.

Facts.

In a poll in boxing monthly out of 30 experts 24 picked him to beat Calzaghe. He was favourite. Calzaghe was number one at eh time. That makes Lacy consensus number one, despite the Ring ratings. If you want to make it a rings rating job then him, Calzaghe and Kessler were the top three. Now, since Calzaghe can't beat himself, he beat the other two.Nobody considered the other top two, Beyer(beaten in 3 by Kessler) or Mundine (beaten by Ottke and Kessler) as the number one. So since he beat the other two top 168ers in the world, who exactly did he avoid and how did he avoid every challenge? The "man" doesnt refer to the Lineal when he's not the best. George Foreman was the "Lineal" when he fought Shultz, but nobody considered him "the man" at heavyweight. Get it?

[Mindgames]

No, he was terrible to watch. I remember Manny Steward being scornfully dismissive of his punches against Hopkins saying they were just slappy and not hurting his opponent. Shame the judges didn't agree.

Not as bad as Hopkins was to watch. Did you see him against Joppy? Or pulling himself out of tough fights against Allen and Dawson? How about the fakery of a low blow in the Calzaghe fight? Since you mention Steward, did you hear how complimentary he was commentating on the Jones fight? Not scornful there.

[mathed]

Hellz to the yeah, joey zags was the man, loved watching his fights.

[IronDanHamza]

In a poll in boxing monthly out of 30 experts 24 picked him to beat Calzaghe. He was favourite. Calzaghe was number one at eh time. That makes Lacy consensus number one, despite the Ring ratings. If you want to make it a rings rating job then him, Calzaghe and Kessler were the top three. Now, since Calzaghe can't beat himself, he beat the other two.Nobody considered the other top two, Beyer(beaten in 3 by Kessler) or Mundine (beaten by Ottke and Kessler) as the number one. So since he beat the other two top 168ers in the world, who exactly did he avoid and how did he avoid every challenge? The "man" doesnt refer to the Lineal when he's not the best. George Foreman was the "Lineal" when he fought Shultz, but nobody considered him "the man" at heavyweight. Get it?

Ok great but he still wasn't the consensus #1 nor was he "the man"

Are you aware what the word "consensus" means? Not a single list had Lacy #1 let alone all of them.

And you also do not know what "the man" means. The man = The Lineal. "The man that beat the man"

George Foreman was the man then. He was considered that.

Let's just stop to rewriting history and stick to the facts;

Lacy was NOT consensus #1 and he was NOT the man of the division. That's a lie.

[Mindgames]

Ok great but he still wasn't the consensus #1 nor was he "the man"

Are you aware what the word "consensus" means? Not a single list had Lacy #1 let alone all of them.

And you also do not know what "the man" means. The man = The Lineal. "The man that beat the man"

George Foreman was the man then. He was considered that.

Let's just stop to rewriting history and stick to the facts;

Lacy was NOT consensus #1 and he was NOT the man of the division. That's a lie.

Yes, consensus opinion, majority opinion. The favourite to win by the bookies and experts were for Lacy over Calzaghe. That's true history. He was considered the better fighter, big puncher and star on the way up. Fact. The "man" is the best guy. Foreman wasn't at all. Lineal is different, and meaningless if you are the weakest guy. "The Man to beat" =the best man. And again, let's play the game, top 3 on paper, Calzaghe, Beyer (Then Kessler", Lacy. So who did he duck and how did he duck every meaningful fighter? He beat the next two best in he's division, undefeated much hyped stars. Younger men. History shows, at the time, these were the best fights he could've took. So what's the problem?

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, consensus opinion, majority opinion. The favourite to win by the bookies and experts were for Lacy over Calzaghe. That's true history. He was considered the better fighter, big puncher and star on the way up. Fact. The "man" is the best guy. Foreman wasn't at all. Lineal is different, and meaningless if you are the weakest guy. "The Man to beat" =the best man. And again, let's play the game, top 3 on paper, Calzaghe, Beyer (Then Kessler", Lacy. So who did he duck and how did he duck every meaningful fighter? He beat the next two best in he's division, undefeated much hyped stars. Younger men. History shows, at the time, these were the best fights he could've took. So what's the problem?

If he was consensus #1 it would mean all or the vast majority had him ranked at #1 yet none of them had him ranked #1 therefore he was NOT consensus #1. That's a lie.

As for being "the man", the actual meaning is "the man that beat the man" which he wasn't. But even by your definition, he wasn't that either.

Ranked #3 by The Ring, NOT the man at 168. Never has been.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with anything I have said.

Lacy - NOT the man. NOT #1. It's that simple.

[Mindgames]

If he was consensus #1 it would mean all or the vast majority had him ranked at #1 yet none of them had him ranked #1 therefore he was NOT consensus #1. That's a lie.

As for being "the man", the actual meaning is "the man that beat the man" which he wasn't. But even by your definition, he wasn't that either.

Ranked #3 by The Ring, NOT the man at 168. Never has been.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with anything I have said.

Lacy - NOT the man. NOT #1. It's that simple.

Lacy was considered the best fighter at the weight by opinion of the experts and the bookies. The man is the best man, the man to beat is the best fighter at the weight. There was no undisputed Supermiddle champion, no one for a Lineal title to have any meaning. Stop being ridiculous. Outside of Calzaghe himself, there was no other fighter who wave considered as the best in the division. Remember at the time of the fight we had Beyer as the other champ. The guy who Catley bashed up. Nobody consider Kessler at the time. No other contenders deemed to be close to Calzaghe and Lacy. Then add that the experts massively picked Lacy to win and Calzaghe was the underdog in the betting and nearly unanimously by even the UK press expected to lose, it means Lacy was considered the best man at the weight. Of course, it'd be great to hear who you had as the best man at the time since you think you are so well informed on the matter.

[IronDanHamza]

Lacy was considered the best fighter at the weight by opinion of the experts and the bookies. The man is the best man, the man to beat is the best fighter at the weight. There was no undisputed Supermiddle champion, no one for a Lineal title to have any meaning. Stop being ridiculous. Outside of Calzaghe himself, there was no other fighter who wave considered as the best in the division. Remember at the time of the fight we had Beyer as the other champ. The guy who Catley bashed up. Nobody consider Kessler at the time. No other contenders deemed to be close to Calzaghe and Lacy. Then add that the experts massively picked Lacy to win and Calzaghe was the underdog in the betting and nearly unanimously by even the UK press expected to lose, it means Lacy was considered the best man at the weight. Of course, it'd be great to hear who you had as the best man at the time since you think you are so well informed on the matter.

Yet not a single ranking list had him ranked #1.

To be consensus #1 they all have to have him #1 yet none of them did.

I don't know how I can make that easier.

The Ring had Calzaghe #1 and Kessler #2.

So that alone means he was not the consensus #1 fighter in the division.

[Mindgames]

Yet not a single ranking list had him ranked #1.

To be consensus #1 they all have to have him #1 yet none of them did.

I don't know how I can make that easier.

The Ring had Calzaghe #1 and Kessler #2.

So that alone means he was not the consensus #1 fighter in the division.

Nope, because although Calzaghe may have been ranked one, on proven form, and they didn't remove him from that spot preemptively, Lacy was the favourite for the fight and the vast majority of experts and polls picked him to beat Calzaghe. He was considered the better fighter at the time. Better than the man who they considered there for the taking. Most chose Lacy by knockout. You'd make a good religious fundamentalist, because you are very concerned with what it says on paper. But none of it changes that Lacy was considered the main man and best fighter in the division when Calzaghe fought him. And the guy who they had number one on paper, just because he was more established and had earned it, was considered the inferior fighter and expected to lose. That makes the other guy number one.

[Mindgames]

Yet not a single ranking list had him ranked #1.

To be consensus #1 they all have to have him #1 yet none of them did.

I don't know how I can make that easier.

The Ring had Calzaghe #1 and Kessler #2.

So that alone means he was not the consensus #1 fighter in the division.

Nope, because although Calzaghe may have been ranked one, on proven form, and they didn't remove him from that spot preemptively, Lacy was the favourite for the fight and the vast majority of experts and polls picked him to beat Calzaghe. He was considered the better fighter at the time. Better than the man who they considered there for the taking. Most chose Lacy by knockout. You'd make a good religious fundamentalist, because you are very concerned with what it says on paper. But none of it changes that Lacy was considered the main man and best fighter in the division when Calzaghe fought him. And the guy who they had number one on paper, just because he was more established and had earned it, was considered the inferior fighter and expected to lose. That makes the other guy number one,in the eyes of the majority of the experts.