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Old 10-18-2019, 12:34 PM #1
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So, this is not exactly "news" to dedicated boxing fans, as we often use Boxrec to analyze the records of our favourite fighters... But since some time ago, Boxrec started showing amateur boxing, kickboxing and muay thai records, among other things.

Months has passed and none of these records are complete by now. If you watch Jarrell Miller's kickboxing record, for example, it only shows 4 fights, 2 of them being his losses against Mirko Filipovic, which is totally misleading, as he won at least 20 fights with his only losses being to Filipovic, as far as I remember. I think it's a brilliant idea to finally get a good overview of these alternative records, but...

Do anyone know if and/or when these records will be completed? And in case they won't be completed, wouldn't it then be best to just delete the new system, in order to not discredit the fighters' accomplishments outside of pro boxing?
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:51 PM #2
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I'm not sure why they tried to provide amatuer records. I'd be surprised if they were accurate.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:55 PM #3
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I think They are taking on more than They can handle.
They will slowly update those records over the years, but maybe our grand-sons will be seeing complete records. I'm not sure how it worsk with kickboxing and Muay-Thai, but amateur boxing fights from decades ago are pretty much impossible to gather. Not even fighters know their exact records and no one used to (Probably still isn't) reporting results of every tournament.

Hardly any of those amateur records right now are complete, just major tournaments... As a record keeping site, not sure how that makes any sense tbh.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:55 PM #4
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So, this is not exactly "news" to dedicated boxing fans, as we often use Boxrec to analyze the records of our favourite fighters... But since some time ago, Boxrec started showing amateur boxing, kickboxing and muay thai records, among other things.

Months has passed and none of these records are complete by now. If you watch Jarrell Miller's kickboxing record, for example, it only shows 4 fights, 2 of them being his losses against Mirko Filipovic, which is totally misleading, as he won at least 20 fights with his only losses being to Filipovic, as far as I remember. I think it's a brilliant idea to finally get a good overview of these alternative records, but...

Do anyone know if and/or when these records will be completed? And in case they won't be completed, wouldn't it then be best to just delete the new system, in order to not discredit the fighters' accomplishments outside of pro boxing?
Perhaps you should sign up to the Boxrec forums and discuss it there, man. Just a thought. They might... y'know... have a bit more insight than the folk on here.
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I'd just be aware that tracking down, collating and inputting all those records is a gargantuan task, man. I've done some of that kinda work in the past and it doesn't happen by magic... that's many thousands of fighters, man, especially when you're looking at the historical record. Don't be surprised if they're still updating 5 or 10 years from now, especially the ammy stuff where there's potentially hundreds of fights for some of these guys many from times or places where there was very basic record keeping.

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Old 10-18-2019, 01:08 PM #5
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Should they delete old school fighters records as well since they're also inaccurate?
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:15 PM #6
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I think They are taking on more than They can handle.
They will slowly update those records over the years, but maybe our grand-sons will be seeing complete records. I'm not sure how it worsk with kickboxing and Muay-Thai, but amateur boxing fights from decades ago are pretty much impossible to gather. Not even fighters know their exact records and no one used to (Probably still isn't) reporting results of every tournament.

Hardly any of those amateur records right now are complete, just major tournaments... As a record keeping site, not sure how that makes any sense tbh.
As long as you make it clear that it's a incomplete record having a single repository is surely better that not having the information at all or having to trawl through obscure Polish or Ukranian websites or whatever. I welcome it, even if it is a massive undertaking.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:24 PM #7
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Its a slow process bro. Most amateur records will NEVER be conpleted cuz few kept up with amateur results well enough to do so. Even if you had a boxers amateur passbook you may not have the only one as these got lost & new ones issued. So this isnt like compiling pro records at all.

And I can tell you the pro records took awhile too cuz I was a boxrec editor back in the day & whenever I went to a fight Id try to make sure all the fighters I saw had fully up to date records & I was almost always adding a couple fights to a guys record & sometimes boxrec would be missing half or more of a boxers record.

So have some patience lol. Im going with the likliness that this wont start to be truly all encomposing until a generation of fighters starting out in the amateurs now make their way to the pros cuz I think the move now is to bring on amateur programs to upload all there show results as they happen to make amateur results much more complete from now on. Idk if they are doing that already or plan to soon but that seems the obvious move to me.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:45 PM #8
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Their new system is too invasive. 12 years ago it was better.
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Their new system is too invasive. 12 years ago it was better.
How are you meaning? Like - you're getting presented with more information than you want?

I mean as a boxing fan foremost I think it's fine... the pro boxing records are the ones that come up automatically after all and they're the ones I'll use most commonly. The only times I'll find it a bit of a pain in the ass is when I'm running through the schedules pages for the Pick Ems and I forgot to click 'Pro Boxing' instead of 'all sports' in the selection box so I have to go through like 3x as many pages... But honestly clicking on a selection box ain't really that much of a chore and having the ammy schedules and records (however incomplete) is more than worth the extra coupla seconds, far as I'm concerned.
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