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Old 04-17-2018, 04:33 AM #1
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Why do Wilder fans justify Wilder rejecting $12.5 million offer from AJ's team?
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:39 AM #2
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I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well;
"...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:54 AM #3
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I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well;
"...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:26 AM #4
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Sure did what self respecting man comes in starts knocking Wilder but has Joshua on his profile.

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Old 04-17-2018, 06:29 AM #5
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Why do Wilder fans justify Wilder rejecting $12.5 million offer from AJ's team?
Because $12.5m isn't a fair offer, and everyone knows it, tbh.

On it's face, Deontay Wilder is being offered 9m when Joshua-Klitschko (the last fight brought to the UK of similar scope to Joshua-Wilder) saw the two fighters splitting 30m on their fight.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:29 AM #6
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Why do Wilder fans justify Wilder rejecting $12.5 million offer from AJ's team?
Because if Shelley Finkel or Al Haymon advised Wilder to take that offer and the earnings from the fight exceed Hearn's projections, Wilder won't see any of the upside and Finkel and Haymon will have their reputations as smart boxing businessmen in tatters.

They will not and never were likely to accept the offer. It's either an opening salvo from Hearn or a device to delay the fight until a more convenient time.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:37 AM #7
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Because $12.5m isn't a fair offer, and everyone knows it, tbh.

On it's face, Deontay Wilder is being offered 9m when Joshua-Klitschko (the last fight brought to the UK of similar scope to Joshua-Wilder) saw the two fighters splitting 30m on their fight.

UK fans do not see Wilder as big a threat as Klitschko. I would be very surprised if it did similar PPV numbers.

UK fans see Wilder as ANOTHER overhyped American with a padded record and a big mouth. He's no different to Brezeale.
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I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well;
"...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.
Oh, so now you're a massive Dan Rafael fan...you hate the man when he speaks against the fighters you like. Show some integirty red prick.

On top of all that, who is saying it's a flat fee? Has that been confirmed? Didn't finkel say Hearn was calling it a "take it or leave it 48 hour deadline". It's been over a week and AJ most recently states he is still open for negotiations.

Heck, he even went so far as to state if Wilder and his team claim it's a $100 million fight, then lets make it happen at 50/50 with $50 mill each.

Can you speak on that?

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Lmao ended the thread before it even started.
No it didn't. As you can see, red prick and company ducked my thread like the plague.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:42 AM #9
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I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well;
"...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.
The Pacquiao fight is a terrible example because no one in their right mind would predicted the fighters splitting $150m, nevermind the $400m that eventually got shared; Floyd budgeted out $40m to Pacquiao, so a 60/40 Mayweather split based on that figure would've had Floyd and Pacquiao splitting $100m, more money than any two fighters have ever split in history (not adjusting for inflation).

Wilder-Joshua is a far bigger fight than Eddie Hearn is currently budgeting. At $12.5m (9m) to Wilder, assuming 60/40 Joshua, Eddie Hearn has put the total fighter take at 22.5m (just under $32m). And this is after Joshua-Klitschko split $45m on their fight.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:01 AM #10
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Wilder-Joshua is a far bigger fight than Eddie Hearn is currently budgeting. At $12.5m (9m) to Wilder, assuming 60/40 Joshua, Eddie Hearn has put the total fighter take at 22.5m (just under $32m). And this is after Joshua-Klitschko split $45m on their fight.
Wilder's never getting 40%. If that's his red line then the fight won't happen. He's also nowhere near the profile that Klitschko enjoyed in the UK or internationally for that matter.

Hearn has said that the 12.5 represents 35% if the fight delivers to the conservative end of the projection, 25% if it exceeds expectations. So they've effectively offered 30% but with no risk and no upside on performance.

It won't happen on a flat fee basis however as above.
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