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Old 01-24-2018, 03:16 AM #21
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most fighters rack up a high knockout percentage early in their career when they are fighting bums until they step up to world level, once they step up to world level their ko percentage goes down drastically. holyfield was already a world class fighter at cruiser so when he moved up to heavyweight he didnt have that easy bum period to rack up a bunch of ko's.

numbers don't always tell the whole story. holyfield fought one of the top guys in the division in his third fight there, fought douglas for the linear championship in his 7th. both wins by ko. a guy like wilder had 30 fights of complete bums before fighting anyone halfway decent and hes still yet to ko a top 10 fighter yet if we look at his ko percentage wow amazing!

if holyfield had 30 fights against light competition before fighting anyone good his ko percentage would be much higher percent but that doesnt change his actual power level at all. not saying he was a huge puncher but this isnt an accurate analysis. a better gauge would be how many top 10 fighters did he ko or what was his ko rate against top 10 opponents
Even if we analyze Evander Holyfield's KO percentage specifically against non-bummy opponents (according the definition of 'bum' that I wrote) and compare the KO percentage of other natural heavyweights against non-bummy opponents too, then at heavyweight, Evander Holyfield still has a lower knockout percentage than the likes of Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos, Mike Tyson, David Tua, Riddick Bowe and etc.

Cruiser weight accomplishments are irrelevant because I only mentioned Evander Holyfield as a 'heavyweight feather fist' and not a cruiser weight feather fist. When boxers move up in weight divisions, their knockout percentage usually decreases because heavier opponents are usually more difficult to KO. Even Floyd Maywaether Jr and Manny Pacquiao are welterweight feather fists, even though they were anything bt feather fists in the lower weight divisions since they were knockout artists then.

Evander Holyfield's KO percentage is 44% against non-bummy opponents at heavyweight. Whilst Earnie Shaver's KO percentage against non-bummy opponents is 46% at heavyweight. Thus, both are heavyweight 'feather fists' and rightly so according to my definition.

And then you compare them to a genuine knockout artist like David Tua, his KO percentage against specifically non-bummy opponents is 73% at heavyweight.
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:18 AM #22
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- Ducking: A boxer who avoids a bout against a mandatory challenger or another champion in their own, respective weight division or a boxer who refuses to box against someone who they call out (E.G. Riddick Bowe ducking Lennox Lewis by throwing his belt into the garbage, Gennady Golovkin ducking Andre Ward by calling him out and not facing him and Floyd Mayweather ducking Amir Khan by making a poll and claiming he would fight the winner of who the fans want him to face next most and then refusing to fight Amir Khan after Amir Khan won the vote).
GGG didn't face Ward, because Ward wouldn't come down to 168. Also Ward only called after better fights had been made.
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:21 AM #23
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I wouldn't call any professional fighter a bum, not now anyway.

Term should be reserved for those who aren't willing to put a hard days work. Some fighters have losing records but they put their blood, sweat and tears in the ring all the same.
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Bum is more about a dude who never tries in training or in the ring. As the term implies, an actual bum who detests work of any kind.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:05 AM #25
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Alphabet Soup: Alphabet soup refers to the abbreviations of the various sanctioning bodies that have proliferated since the 1980s. It is their handing out of what many boxing aficionados consider 'cheap' world titles.

Bleeder: A fighter who is vulnerable to cuts (aka Arturo Gatti).

Flash Knockdown: A flash knockdown occurs when a fighter is knocked down but gets up quickly and shows little or no ill-effects. It is sometimes called a no-count.

queer street: A term used to describe the condition of someone who just got clocked lovely, but is still barely standing somehow, or was knocked down and unwisely got back up. Marked by wobbly legs and a glazed over look in the eyes.

Rabbit Puchn: This is a punch delivered by a boxer to the back of the neck of his opponent. It is illegal to use because of the potential for serious injury it can cause. It is derived from the blow used by a rabbit hunter to kill the animal.

Rope-a-Dope: Allowing an opponent to go on the offensive while covering up on the ropes and waiting for him to tire.

Rubber Match: A rubber match is the deciding match of a multi-bout series between two boxers, in which the two boxers have each won a bout against each other. The term usually refers to the third bout in a series, making it a trilogy.

Southpaw: In boxing, the term 'southpaw' refers to a left-handed fighter, one who fights with his right hand and foot forward while keeping his left hand and foot in the back.

Swing Bout: A swing bout is a short boxing match on a televised boxing program, put on at short notice, usually after the main event ends prematurely. Sometimes a swing bout may come before the main event--when the preliminary bouts end quickly.

White Hope: When Jack Johnson defeated Tommy Burns to become the first black man to win the World
Heavyweight Championship on December 26, 1908, a cry went out for a white fighter who could reclaim the title for the Caucasian race.

Tomato Can: A professional boxer of below-average ability who frequently loses his fights, usually in four or six round bouts, to boxers who are just starting out in their careers; or experienced boxers who are taking a bout just to stay busy or to earn some easy money.

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Old 01-24-2018, 04:21 AM #26
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GGG didn't face Ward, because Ward wouldn't come down to 168. Also Ward only called after better fights had been made.
I understand your point. I wasn't initially 100% sure whether Gennady Golovkin HIMSELF even claimed that he would box against anybody from 154 pounds - 168 pounds. Just that IF he did (which is a question mark) and refused a bout against someone calling him out at 168 pounds or refused a bout against Andre Ward IF he called him out initially, then that'd be considered a 'duck' by my definition.

Now whether Golovkin himself really claimed what some of the individuals (mainly critiques and haters) claim GGG claimed is something I've seen no direct evidence of. So maybe not a 'duck' but you hopefully get the point
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bum - a boxer that loses to a fighter that you dislike but when the "bum" in question faces a fighter you do like they're no longer bums. (Ex. when ggg beat lemeiux, lemmie was a bum. when BJS beat lemeiux, BJS is elite. Ex. #2. pacquiao beat algieri who was a bum. spence bets algieri and its his best win. Ex#3. floyd beats oscar who is over the hill and "old". pacquiao beats a worst version of oscar and its a miracle). bum is a term used to push an agenda.
Good point.
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I'm 'fixating' on numbers because numbers makes something specific enough to the point where there remains no vagueness or questions required to be asked out of non-clarity.

There is a difference between telling someone to walk left and walk left 1 mile when giving them directions. Merely telling someone to walk left leaves unanswered questions about things that aren't clear and specific. Numbers makes something measurable and verifiable for one to use to determine accurately whether a particular definition is fulfilled. Whilst vague definitions such as:

- Journeyman: Can give you rounds, due to being tough or elusive enough, but cant win rounds, due to poor offense and most of the time no power.

Begs the question: what does it mean to be 'tough' and how 'tough' does that boxer have to be and how do we determine if they possess a specific level of toughness?

There exists this same problem of lack of clarity in your first definition of the first term 'bum'. There isn't a way to accurately determine whether a boxer is a 'bum' or not based on your definition because it isn't specific enough due to not providing sufficient details such as how a 'challenge' is defined and if that boxer will still be a bum if they provide a challenge to every other top 10 ranked boxer except one boxer due to that one boxer being so good that they stand out from even other top 10 ranked boxers.
I know what you are getting at. But there are much more factors at play and it does not work with some randomly chosen cutoff numbers.

With your definition, Darnell boone is a prime example for a bum. But would a bum beat Stevenson? and knock down Kovalev and Ward?

Who in your opinion is a prospect? According to your definition conlan, Stevenson, dubois, joyce are not considered prospects.

How is Holyfield featherfisted at HW when he knocked out and hurt many high level fighters at HW.

Im not a native english speaker, so excuse me if im wrong. To contest = actually fighting for a title? If yes, then your definition is not right. You become a contender, if your resume legitimise a title shot bybeating a top10 ranked fighter at least.
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Well then provide your definition and then we can hold them up to a specific level of scrutiny. It's a sign of a coward who criticizes someone else's work without providing their own at all. It's easy to criticize someone else for provoding some information without you doing it yourself.
it follows the lineage of the title. it's the man who beats the man...even guys who aren't top fighters can become lineal champion. for example, carlos baldomir was the lineal ww champion.
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Old 01-25-2018, 03:38 AM #30
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it follows the lineage of the title. it's the man who beats the man...even guys who aren't top fighters can become lineal champion. for example, carlos baldomir was the lineal ww champion.
1) Define 'man'!

2) How does one become a 'man' in the first place?

3) What happens if that 'man' retires without losing? Can anybody else ever become a 'man' following this event and if yes, how?
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