Guns vs. Drugs

[Chollo Vista]

Are you two a couple now? You show up on every thread together. We will have to give you a super-couple name like Branjelina. We will call you guys Travista.

Don't respond to me. Respond to the guy you're ducking

travestyny

EDIT: This little poosay just put me in ignore cause I hurt his poosay

You guys can gang up on people and dish it out, but start crying like b1tches when it comes back like a boomerang

Racist phaggot

[GhostofDempsey]

Sh^t than we should start with cheeseburgers not drugs. Cheeseburgers & bad food choices are costing us more money then drugs. And those kids suffer too & die younger cuz they don't know whats up with food choices.

But children are going to suffer via their parents bad choices w/e you do. You can't really stop that unless you start taking everyone's kids or making a massive education movement on "How to Live" or something. And sh^t plenty of people would still go against it.

Except no one is robbing houses, stealing cars, holding up stores or assaulting and killing one another for their next cheeseburger. Having lived through the crack epidemic that saw 2,500 murders per year in cities like NY, I can personally testify just how devastating addiction to drugs like crack, meth and opiates are. Not to mention the costs of arresting, jailing, court appointed attorneys, ER visits, rehab, counseling, and other social services for those left behind.

[GhostofDempsey]

Don't respond to me. Respond to the guy you're ducking

travestyny

He must suck a good d!ck if you are willing to step in for him like this. it seems like he really needs closure, except stalkers like him never get it. Now don't you guys have a gay wedding to attend? Party of two....Travista.

[Eff Pandas]

Except no one is robbing houses, stealing cars, holding up stores or assaulting and killing one another for their next cheeseburger. Having lived through the crack epidemic that saw 2,500 murders per year in cities like NY, I can personally testify just how devastating addiction to drugs like crack, meth and opiates are. Not to mention the costs of arresting, jailing, court appointed attorneys, ER visits, rehab, counseling, and other social services for those left behind.

No one rational is arguing gun sh^t, drug sh^t & food sh^t AREN'T a problem, but yea they overlap in some areas & don't in other areas.

I thought bringing up the problem with people's eating habits when you brought up the public cost of these bad decisions was relevant to the topic at hand. Its sorta a weird a$$ original topic so I thought food sh^t fit into the comparison better as its a problem thats complicated, but is a choice like drugs are. So many mfers in the US got health problems due to their eating habits its kinda sad people are dying cuz of sugar & other bad sh^t in food more or less. And I think its a bigger problem cuz people don't really think of it as a problem cuz I can even understand people going "LOL at food killing people", but yea thats whats happening to people. It just takes longer & the highs aren't as high...but you get more of them I suppose so it evens out I guess.

[bigfo0t]

I don't think it should be as easy as it is to purchase guns without a thorough background check which includes a mental health check (if you're taking crazy meds you shouldn't be armed), and the applicant has to have a certain amount of hours being trained to use the guns he/she is purchasing and pass a proficiency/qualification test getting a certain amount of bullets on target. Personally, I don't see why anyone should own bump stocks, 30+ round magazines, or weapons that can be fired on fully automatic.

That said, a proficient shooter can do just as much killing with a Glock 40 cal. (Aurora CO shooter--killed 12 injured 70), or a 7-round pump action shotgun and a sling bag full of shells. He/she could inflict serious casualties with a 5-round snub nosed .38 and a fanny pack full of speed loaders if he's practiced enough. In China and Japan, there were attacks where dozens of victims were killed by a knife wielding assailant.

But, what is going on here is more of a cultural attack on gun owners. The media and Democrats look to gun owners in America as a significant voting demographic for Republicans. They want to weaken or eliminate that demographic by eliminating their guns. Of course, Democrats had an opportunity to do just that when they had the White House, Senate and House of Reps for two years during Obama's presidency, and they did nothing! So how serious are they about gun legislation when the only time you hear from them is when there is a mass shooting that they can exploit? Again, I reach back to inner city gun violence as a prime example of the deafening silence by the left when it comes to guns. It's not apples and oranges.

I'm going to drop a statistic on you...from 2014 - 2017 56,000 Americans were killed by guns (over the course of four years). In 2016 (just one year), 64,000 Americans died of opiate addiction. But supposedly, drugs are a "victimless" choice people make because it only harms the user. Which couldn't be more wrong.

The NRA lobbies for Republicans and about 12% of their money to Democrats as well, Big Pharma lobbies heavily for Democrats and Republicans...who has more blood on their hands? NRA or Big Pharma?

Approx 15K gun deaths to 60K drug deaths annually. Where is the outrage on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NYT, WAPO over Big Pharma? Where is the 24/7 news coverage on an epidemic that has killed more Americans in one year than the war in Vietnam in ten years?

I'm no fan of Big Pharma, but I do recognize the legitimate need for opiates and other drugs in the medical field. I think that is the main difference, there is another purpose for these drugs other than to be abused/get people high.

[GhostofDempsey]

No one rational is arguing gun sh^t, drug sh^t & food sh^t AREN'T a problem, but yea they overlap in some areas & don't in other areas.

I thought bringing up the problem with people's eating habits when you brought up the public cost of these bad decisions was relevant to the topic at hand. Its sorta a weird a$$ original topic so I thought food sh^t fit into the comparison better as its a problem thats complicated, but is a choice like drugs are. So many mfers in the US got health problems due to their eating habits its kinda sad people are dying cuz of sugar & other bad sh^t in food more or less. And I think its a bigger problem cuz people don't really think of it as a problem cuz I can even understand people going "LOL at food killing people", but yea thats whats happening to people. It just takes longer & the highs aren't as high...but you get more of them I suppose so it evens out I guess.

Well, eating yourself to death can literally take decades. Heroin addicting and overdoses happen pretty quickly. The residual effects are far more serious and pose an immediate impact on family, society, and communities.

I pose this topic because of the knee jerk outrage over guns--which will die down in two weeks until the next **** star comes out to profess her affair with Trump. He media, policies a on both sides and social media droids have short memories and attention spans. But, life goes on and somewhere a heartbroken mother loses a child to a gunshot or an overdose, and so I guess the means to the end is irrelevant, dead is dead. But one takes four times as many lives and receives only a small fraction of media attention and political foot stomping.

[GhostofDempsey]

I'm no fan of Big Pharma, but I do recognize the legitimate need for opiates and other drugs in the medical field. I think that is the main difference, there is another purpose for these drugs other than to be abused/get people high.

Yes, of course here is a medical need for morphine and pain killers. Just as there is an unfortunate need for guns to a certain degree. That is the society we live in.

[Eff Pandas]

Well, eating yourself to death can literally take decades. Heroin addicting and overdoses happen pretty quickly. The residual effects are far more serious and pose an immediate impact on family, society, and communities.

People dying are people dying & it takes longer, but its wayyyyyy more people dying too.

And it gets far less coverage then either of the other two problems & it gets taken far less seriously too.

[GrandmasterWang]

Drugs > Guns

[GhostofDempsey]

I think Panda summed up my personal feelings in his initial response.

Good topic Dempsey. 2 things; the border wall will put a big damper on drug use in the USA. Mexico is all F'ed up right now just with the thought of the wall. The cartels r onto other organized crimes and getting downright desperate to find some kinda racket.

Another, current politicians havent touched this topic lately but we need prison reform. There should b 5 types of Federal prisons/reformatories; drugs, sex crimes, violent offenders, immigration, & psychiatric. Psychiatric & drug reformatories should be self and/or Court recommended. Any1 admitted to a psychiatric reformatory should give their gun ownership rights upon admittance/acceptance. We should build a federal prison in the border wall, itd really make deportations much more efficient. Sex offenders should be isolated & treated, somewhere in like Alaska away from everything. Then just leave violent offenders, where they r. Freeing up cell space by classifying offenders would benefit inmate & correctional staff safety.

Anyways, back to drugs. Once the walls built, drug prices will rise & if treatment was more available than a cell is, some may actually change. Better than locking a junkie kid up with some gang banging manipulator.

While I am optimistic that tighter border control will put a good size dent in street opiates, there is a lot of it in the form of fentanyl coming in from China. That stuff is way more lethal than heroin and easier to manufacture. My fear is that eventually we have chemists who will develop synthetic opiates here inside our borders similar to meth labs.