One thing I will point out if Vitali klitschko is considered an alltime great then so is Deontay Wilder. Same type of career. Both have no signature wins. Both lost to the best fighter they faced & both have thin resumes. Title defences against Sosnowski, Danny Williams, Kevin Johnson, Charr, old Briggs, Adamek & you can go up & down his resume & what was his best win? Sam Peter? Cherry picking at it’s finest. If Vitali is in the hall of fame then Wilder should be too. I think Vitali should never have been elected into the HOF & neither should Wilder at this point.
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Originally posted by joe strong View PostOne thing I will point out if Vitali klitschko is considered an alltime great then so is Deontay Wilder. Same type of career. Both have no signature wins. Both lost to the best fighter they faced & both have thin resumes. Title defences against Sosnowski, Danny Williams, Kevin Johnson, Charr, old Briggs, Adamek & you can go up & down his resume & what was his best win? Sam Peter? Cherry picking at it’s finest. If Vitali is in the hall of fame then Wilder should be too. I think Vitali should never have been elected into the HOF & neither should Wilder at this point.
Vitali could not unify or become undisputed bec his brother was the other Champion ,please don’t disrespect boxing like this . Vitali fight with Lewis is far more significant then any Wilder win .
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Originally posted by Rick Taylor View Postand he got massacred by journeymen
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Originally posted by REDEEMER View PostVitali didn’t duck any fights ,please save us this argument. Ha
Vitali could not unify or become undisputed bec his brother was the other Champion ,please don’t disrespect boxing like this . Vitali fight with Lewis is far more significant then any Wilder win .
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Originally posted by MoneyKasha View PostFury ending Wlad's reign is imo more impressive than AJ's knockout (Wlad almost knocked him out) even if Wlad looked better in the AJ fight
AJ has the overall quanity of names, but Fury's top 2 wins>>>>AJ's top 2 wins
That "fight" would be better forgotten. Klitschko's valiant effort against Joshua was his response to his hapless performance against Fury. For the first time in many years, he fought the way he used to, before Corrie Sanders TKO'd him with his head and fist.
If you have an interest in seeing things as they REALLY happened, and watched that fateful round against Sanders in slo-mo, you would see the head arriving just before the fist, in fact Klitscko was going down from the head butt when the fist reached him.
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Originally posted by joe strong View PostOne thing I will point out if Vitali klitschko is considered an alltime great then so is Deontay Wilder. Same type of career. Both have no signature wins. Both lost to the best fighter they faced & both have thin resumes. Title defences against Sosnowski, Danny Williams, Kevin Johnson, Charr, old Briggs, Adamek & you can go up & down his resume & what was his best win? Sam Peter? Cherry picking at it’s finest. If Vitali is in the hall of fame then Wilder should be too. I think Vitali should never have been elected into the HOF & neither should Wilder at this point.
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Originally posted by REDEEMER View PostPrime Povetkin arguably lost to Huck coming up in a CW class Years ago ,so these silly arguments don’t hold much . The fact is anyone could be prime when they try and win an argument both Povetkin and Wlad improved with age ,Wlad fought an inexperienced Povetkin and less strong then he is now .
We can imagine anything to win a debate I just stick to facts ,the fact is Povetkin is a very dangerous crafty fighter who had his best training camps against AJ and Whyte . We saw both results and who’s the real deal and not .
If Povetkin is the standard of losing against him , you yourself could just enter a fight and win against him , but it doesn’t work like that. You need to be elite or have a huge shot to get past Povetkin when he’s on point .
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Originally posted by edgarg View PostI think you're wrong about Klitschko. He fought everybody available and avoided nobody. He was a great fighter, and is recognised as such by experts..
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Originally posted by REDEEMER View PostThat’s not a measurement of an ATG ,it’s well known Fury vs Wlad was one of the worst title fights ever .Had Fury fought like AJ he would get sparked that night and going for the kill is most dangerous and in 19 fights ? Quality and fighting top guys on a regular basis is what Fury doesn’t have .
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Originally posted by joe strong View PostNo he didn’t come anywhere close to fighting everyone of his era. I’m no expert but the list of HWs he didn’t fight is long. I never said he ducked anyone but he never fought a lot of good HWs that were active during his career. Wladimir is an ATG but Vitali is not in my opinion.
The reason -at the time he stopped it- was that "I asked him to look up and he didn't, so I felt that he couldn't open his eyelid, that the nerves were cut"... The FACT were, that there was the usual hubbub, even more so as they expected Lewis to be KOd in the next round, and the dr. was standing right up against him, and speaking well above his head. I'm certin that Klitschko never heard him, and wouldn't have understood him anyway as he had very poor English.
You may recall, that when Klitschko finally understood that the fight had been stopped against HIM, he nearly cried, he was calling out "I can zee, I can zee weryy vel", and BOTH his eyes were wide open and glaring around. There was nothing wrong with his eyelid. He was heartbroken. Then the WBC ordered a rematch to be finalise in 90 days. Lewis messed around, would not come to the table, and the WBC finally threatened to strip him by March 1st at noon. Lewis waited until 10 a.m. that last day, and announced his retirement. He was jealous and egotistical. Particularly jealous of the Klitschkos' sterling characters, their educations, and their high positions in the boxing world as ambassadors and charity donors. .Gentlemen and high calibre sportsmen, a different class and standing entirely to Lewis.Last edited by edgarg; 10-28-2020, 01:08 AM.
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