Originally posted by hugh grant
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Manny Pacquiao is an all time great. There is no denying that. 8 division champ will never be matched. What a feather in the cap. Manny was one of my favorite fighters. I won $100 in a friendly bet with a friend that he would beat Barrera. I think Manny is a helluva of a fighter.
But like I said when you are comparing greats, you have to go through there careers with a fight tooth comb to substantiate your argument. And you have to use facts to support your argument.
First off, Manny does not have 3 wins over Marquez. He is 2-1-1 Against him. Me personally I thought Manny won the first two and I thought Marquez won the last two. I do believe Manny is the greater fighter of the two but they really know how to hurt each other. Outside of the brutal KO that suffered at the hands of Marquez, all of their fights were life and death. Floyd put on a boxing clinic against Marquez. Easy work. No rematch needed. Floyd won that, clearly no debating.
You bring up Joe Calzaghe and Ottke. The should be applauded for their amazing record. Especially Calzaghe. The problem for them historical is that they fought most of their career abroad. Not a look of vig names on their resume. The were not fighting on the highest level. Never even fought each other. I interviewed Calzaghe before the Lacy fight and he claimed Ottke was ducking him. So who knows. The point is they did not fight in the top league. Floyd has his whole career.
While Floyd undefeated and untied record is remarkable thats not the only thing that makes him better. He been in the spotlight his whole career. Fought champion after champion. Beat them all in a variety of ways. When he no longer was at his physical peak he changed his style up to remain successful. He became more economical. More precise. He did that for 19 years. Undefeated for 19 years. That's almost impossible. You think he was 100% every night. No way. Hes only human. We've seen him fight with a bum shoulder and win, broken hands and won. We've seen him badly hurt and won. Being in the ring mano o mano reveals character. Floyd always made the adjustment.
The best fight that represents Floyd greatness is the fight with Canelo imho. Significantly younger challenger at his physicsl peak. While Floyd was 36. Another boxing clinic where he took Canelo to school. The haters couldn't believe what they saw. So they call a man with well over 40 fights green, a 9 year vet green, a man in his physicsl prime green. Lol. They also bring up the contracted weight as an issue. Once you decide to enter that right, the excuses stop. Go win the fight.
You're using Floyd not fighting internationally as a pro to make an argument as to why Manny is greater. Once against the USA is the big leagues. This is where the best competition lies, that's why all the top fighters fight here. Who is this fighter Internationally that Floyd should have fought?
But last but not least in their legacy defining fight Floyd beat him. You can use the shoulder excuse. But Arum said Pac hurt his shoulder in the DeLaHoya.
This is rather easy
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