Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Joshua-Wilder, GGG-Canelo, Usyk-Gassiev

[The D3vil]

All ethnicities were enslaved at some point. Why do you think slaves are called slaves instead of africans? Because it was the white Slavs who were some of the original slaves.

There's no need for reparations, but if you want some get them from the Jews & Arabs who were the slave traders. We punish drug dealers much more heavily than drug users. The same would go for slave dealers.

Or you can count your EBT card and welfare benefits as reparations ... or maybe you can get off your ass and stop your crybabying and do something with yourself. It's been 150 years.

Hey moron, most of the people on welfare are white in America.

And white women are the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action along with white cripples and now white gays & transgenders.

You have zero idea what you're talking about.

And it hasn't been "150 years". This government kept black people segregated in poverty legally up until the 1960s and have continued to "illegally" through housing, educational, and employment discrimination until this day.

You Trump supporters really gotta like read books, so you can you know, sound intelligent on a subject.

[TripleJ]

it is not about making rules, especially if those rules do not accommodate EVERYONE

you probably have no idea why Hopkins was so successful over 40, and why some fighters look shot at 28..... and often that can be difficult to define..... but it is impossible to define that by age because there is a huge difference between 28 and 48

and when you mentioned Marquez, you KNEW I was talking about KTFO6

Marquez was MUCH better than the mid-level Top Rank jww's that Pac had been kicking around

You're right it's not about making rules, it's just a turn of phrase. Doesn't change the fact that the vast, vast majority of fighters will be past their physical prime by the time they hit their mid thirties, and when the majority of fighters have their bodies decline so does their overall capability. Some fighters such as Hopkins have the ring IQ and style that can pull them along after their bodies start to decline, but a stalker like Golovkin or Hagler will see it affect him sooner based on the more physical style. Keep in mind Haglers last fight, a loss to Leonard, was at the age of 32.

You're a smart guy, but this hate you have of some fighters blinds you. Barerra, Marquez before the ktfo6, morales, hatton, mosley, margarito, dlh, cotto, clottey were all not worth talking about? Who should he have fought?

[TripleJ]

Many rules are for the majority but not everyone. For those rules there are always exceptions. Boxers look shot because they have taken too much career punishment or their training regime is so far from what they need that it has a direct and obvious impact on their in-ring performance leading to more punishment and losses.

You have good points regards Golovkin. I for one never suggested he was as good as Hagler - he had to prove it and he hasn't and he couldn't. But as per the original post you have to look at the intricacies.

You can say whatever you like and you do - fair enough - but you have an axe to grind and you imo you weaken your point by being overly negative and stretching to make points.

Pointing out exceptions to people being in their prime such as Bhop is ludicrous. It's just willfully ignoring the evidence all around you to justify your assertion that Golovkin is mediocre. In your own mind you might feel that it is helpful but if you are trying to convince the majority of other posters then forget it.

Boxing like many sports is part physical and part experience. When your physicality starts to wane then experience and wilyness can, to some extent, start to compensate.

Breadman nailed it as to why Bhop was a champion in his forties. But this is undoubtedly the exception. I can't mail down when a man's physical prime is but I can guarantee you that for most men it is not at 35 years old!

As for Pac struggling against JMM and Mayweather - you have to realise two things. In JMM he was fighting against a guaranteed HOF and in Mayweather he fought against an ATG. No shame. The second thing is look where he started at weight-wise.

So Golovkin is no ATG like Hagler. But he should be a lock HOF and he is not yet. Why? Because he started late and he he doesn't have the scalps on his resume that he should have had (Sturm and Martinez) because he was avoided [ Froch:- "..swerve him like the plague"].

Excellent post, you're more eloquent than I.

[HarvardBlue]

When you make a comment like "black fighters are boring" you lose your credibility as a coach. The most popular boxers have been black throughout history so a lot of fans must like something about these "boring" black fighters.

[aboutfkntime]

Many rules are for the majority but not everyone. For those rules there are always exceptions. Boxers look shot because they have taken too much career punishment or their training regime is so far from what they need that it has a direct and obvious impact on their in-ring performance leading to more punishment and losses.

You have good points regards Golovkin. I for one never suggested he was as good as Hagler - he had to prove it and he hasn't and he couldn't. But as per the original post you have to look at the intricacies.

You can say whatever you like and you do - fair enough - but you have an axe to grind and you imo you weaken your point by being overly negative and stretching to make points.

Pointing out exceptions to people being in their prime such as Bhop is ludicrous. It's just willfully ignoring the evidence all around you to justify your assertion that Golovkin is mediocre. In your own mind you might feel that it is helpful but if you are trying to convince the majority of other posters then forget it.

Boxing like many sports is part physical and part experience. When your physicality starts to wane then experience and wilyness can, to some extent, start to compensate.

Breadman nailed it as to why Bhop was a champion in his forties. But this is undoubtedly the exception. I can't mail down when a man's physical prime is but I can guarantee you that for most men it is not at 35 years old!

As for Pac struggling against JMM and Mayweather - you have to realise two things. In JMM he was fighting against a guaranteed HOF and in Mayweather he fought against an ATG. No shame. The second thing is look where he started at weight-wise.

So Golovkin is no ATG like Hagler. But he should be a lock HOF and he is not yet. Why? Because he started late and he he doesn't have the scalps on his resume that he should have had (Sturm and Martinez) because he was avoided [ Froch:- "..swerve him like the plague"].

good post Steve !

[aboutfkntime]

I completely disagree that 10 defences, or whatever, automatically gets you in the HOF

no way

bread is not moving with the times

back in the day, sure..... but there are fkn titles everywhere today, they literally give that shht away..... and the (infrequent) mandatories are often very soft indeed

WHO..... with consideration given to when/how..... is all that matters

no way is my boy Wilder HOF material

and neither is Golovkin

and the reason why is not just his poor resume..... it is because he avoided mover/spoilers in order to carve that poor resume'

[TheUptownKid]

All ethnicities were enslaved at some point. Why do you think slaves are called slaves instead of africans? Because it was the white Slavs who were some of the original slaves.

There's no need for reparations, but if you want some get them from the Jews & Arabs who were the slave traders. We punish drug dealers much more heavily than drug users. The same would go for slave dealers.

Or you can count your EBT card and welfare benefits as reparations ... or maybe you can get off your ass and stop your crybabying and do something with yourself. It's been 150 years.

This is a ridiculous post that is sullying a perfectly good mailbag. Cut it out