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Old 10-18-2020, 05:09 PM #121
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I am not sure the part about the manager/trainer (not promoter) is true; Joe Jacobs.

(Jacobs was the guy who coined the term "We wuz robbed, we wuz robbed")

Goebbels was the guy who was calling the shots with Schmeling (and he was a strong anti-Semite) but he made the decision that Schmeling could keep his Jew manger (Jacobs) because he saw more currency in Schemeling holding the title than persecuting any one particular Jew.

Even Hitler gave his family doctor (Dr. Block I believe) a free ride through the war, calling him a "noble Jew."

The Nazi didn't come from the nobility (Prussians) or the peasantry (communists), they were a nightmare begat from middle-class shopkeepers; they functioned under a perverse sense of practicality.

It wasn't until 1944 (after Normandy and desperation) that Germany became a totalitarian state, before that it was authoritarian with a strong free enterprise system.

Hitler's Germany wasn't what we think of it as being until the last two-three years of the war, before that exceptions were made.
really great post.

but these schmelinng fanboys appear sick in the head tbh
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:35 AM #122
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have you done any research on this topic?
we both know the answer is no. because you are to mentally weak.

why did shmeling never leave nazi germany. whilst others were fleeing.

as i said you did no research..
pathetic and mentally weak.
There were Jews that didn't leave Germany in world war 2. Not everyone leaves if its their home. And he had a bit of a safety net being a famous boxer that made Germany look good. "Hitlers golden boy" is a different claim. Also this argument is over, Schmeling never joined the Nazi party on paper. You are implying he was an underground Nazi and I still think you are trolling.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:07 PM #123
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There were Jews that didn't leave Germany in world war 2.
look how that worked out for them.

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And he had a bit of a safety net being a famous boxer that made Germany look good. "Hitlers golden boy" is a different claim.
i have been saying he was an opportunist

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Also this argument is over, Schmeling never joined the Nazi party on paper. You are implying he was an underground Nazi and I still think you are trolling.
you can believe the fairy tail if you want. i would never fall for such nonsense.

and as i said. this was a point of contention with the the american press.

its all rather convenient that after the war everyone believes he was a "good german".

as i previously stated the story of him rescuing jews didnt surface until decades later. i wonder why.
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look how that worked out for them.



i have been saying he was an opportunist



you can believe the fairy tail if you want. i would never fall for such nonsense.

and as i said. this was a point of contention with the the american press.

its all rather convenient that after the war everyone believes he was a "good german".

as i previously stated the story of him rescuing jews didnt surface until decades later. i wonder why.
Can you give us some links to this being a point of contention with the American press?

I doubt many people took a dislike to Schmeling because they thought he was a Nazi, but rather because America was fighting a war with Germany. Just because a country is our enemy doesn't make every person from that country a bad person.

It never came out because Schmeling asked the boys he saved not to say anything. Why would he need them to come out and tell this story decades later when he was already seen as a good man and not being part of the Nazi regime?
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Can you give us some links to this being a point of contention with the American press?
the first i read on it was from an old new york times article
about schmeling i beleieve.

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I doubt many people took a dislike to Schmeling because they thought he was a Nazi, but rather because America was fighting a war with Germany. Just because a country is our enemy doesn't make every person from that country a bad person.
valid points.
but i am not just going to give the benefit of the doubt. especially when it looks so suspect.

if germany had won the war i am positive history would know a
a very different max schmeling.


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It never came out because Schmeling asked the boys he saved not to say anything. Why would he need them to come out and tell this story decades later when he was already seen as a good man and not being part of the Nazi regime?
why did he tell them to say nothing?
and why did the story come out in the 1980s (i think)

as far as i am aware all books and documentaries about
schmeling spend very little time on his days during the war.
that is a red flag if ever i've seen one. (please correct me if i am wrong)

on my way out. but will re find the links later. (its tedious digging up old links haha)
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Those who know of Schmeling only superficially might conclude that he supported the Nazi regime. On the contrary, he never joined the Nazi party to Hitlerís chagrin. He steadfastly refused to participate in the exploitation of his accomplishments by Nazi propagandists. During the 1936 Olympics, he had made Hitler swear that American athletes would be protected. During the horrific Kristallnacht, he hid the two sons of a Jewish friend, David Lewin, from the Nazis in his room at Berlinís Excelsior Hotel. Throughout the 1930s, he continued to employ his manager, Joe Jacobs, a Jewish American. He never turned his back on Jewish friends or disassociated himself with them.

That's a paragraph from the article and doesn't make him look too Nazi like there.
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look how that worked out for them.



i have been saying he was an opportunist



you can believe the fairy tail if you want. i would never fall for such nonsense.

and as i said. this was a point of contention with the the american press.

its all rather convenient that after the war everyone believes he was a "good german".

as i previously stated the story of him rescuing jews didnt surface until decades later. i wonder why.
- -Because they read in the vacuous press in their day how he was being savaged in print by U lowbrow ancesters.

The brothers held their story because post war everyone scrambling to make a living to care about such a story.

When it mattered, they stepped up. When U gonna step to the first rung of humanity?

Must be tiresome being a grub worm.
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- -Because they read in the vacuous press in their day how he was being savaged in print by U lowbrow ancesters.

The brothers held their story because post war everyone scrambling to make a living to care about such a story.

When it mattered, they stepped up. When U gonna step to the first rung of humanity?

Must be tiresome being a grub worm.
you're probably a nazi tbh 😐
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you're probably a nazi tbh 😐
- -U grub worm hijacking an honorable Louis/Ali thread lower than nazis.
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