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Old 11-19-2017, 10:06 AM #21
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Nah man sometimes people know something is wrong but can't really articulate it so they end up expressing that feeling the wrong way, or what they wanted to say comes out all wrong.

For instance the Canelo thing. People weren't mad about the 155lb thing because of 'weight bullying', they were really mad about it because it allowed Canelo to avoid certain fighters by claiming 'I'm not a 154lber'.

Consequently, it also allowed him to avoid dangerous middleweights because "I'm not a 160lber"

Whoever you are, and whether you'll admit it or not, there is no way you can't tell that this is total garbage, at the very least you should be able to feel that something is wrong here even if you can't figure it out.

Also, Golovkin made it clear from the beginning that he would only go down in weight for Floyd Mayweather, so you can't call him out for that.

But even if he had said he would go down in weight for a junior middlweight, Canelo was no longer campaigning at junior middleweight, and in fact was a middleweight champion. There was absolutely no reason for Golovkin to go down for a fellow middleweight champion. There is no world where that made sense and there is no way anyone, Canelo fan or not, doesn't know exactly what Canelo was trying to do.

Then there is also the fact that Canelo promised the wbc that he would fight Golovkin next, that is the reason they allowed him to jump ahead of Golovkin and fight Cotto in the first place, it was the basis of that deal. But then Canelo turns around and asks for a tune up fight, the wbc which basically violates the prior agreement, but the wbc is lenient and allows him to do so, only for Alvarez to vacate and complain that the wbc was rushing him, despite the fact that he ONLY got the title shot in the first place on the premise that he would fight Golovkin, and despite that they were lenient enough to allow him a tune up when they didn't have to.

An unbiased person can easily tell you that Canelo was NEVER in the right in any of these conflicts. He was the reason the fight wasn't happening. He made the excuse that GGG was pricing himself out, however that was also irrelevant because all he had to do was wait for purse bid and he would have been guaranteed 75 percent as per wbc rules.

Canelo was a spioled cowardly brat throughout this whole saga, but you know, in my opinion, he totally took Golovkin to school in their fight.

In fact, if it wasn't for his stamina issues, he could have easily stopped Golovkin.

If you notice, Golovkin always moves forward even when he gets hit flush in the face, but he always either stops or moves back when there is a vicious attack to the body. It happened with Jacobs and it happened with Canelo too.

These guys just gotta keep on throwing. There is only so much pain you can take before it becomes too much to pretend you aint feeling nothing. The key is not to be discouraged and continue to throw.

Look at the Maidana v Floyd fight. Maidana kept coming forward but Floyd knew if he kept on throwing combinations and nailing Maidana on the body then eventually he would inevitably slow down. If he wasn't feather fisted he could have stopped Maidana given the good work he did in that fight.

Maidana did well too, but his shots weren't anywhere near as clean as Floyd's.
Excellent post, although I disagree with your contention that Canelo took GGG to school. I had GGG winning by 2 rounds. Canelo looked good in spots but didn't stand a fight fire with fire because he didn't want to get caught with a big shot cleanly. Had he not felt Golovkin's punches, he wouldn't have constantly been retreating. He only stepped up in the last 3 rounds because his corner told him he was behind and had to win the last 3 rounds.
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Old 11-19-2017, 10:13 AM #22
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Excellent post, although I disagree with your contention that Canelo took GGG to school. I had GGG winning by 2 rounds. Canelo looked good in spots but didn't stand a fight fire with fire because he didn't want to get caught with a big shot cleanly. Had he not felt Golovkin's punches, he wouldn't have constantly been retreating. He only stepped up in the last 3 rounds because his corner told him he was behind and had to win the last 3 rounds.
nope. you seem to forget that boxers and their coaches keep track of rounds during and in between. there's a reason why Khan likes to fight high outputs when during the 10 second warning bells to catch attention to the judges.

Canelo doesn't fight like Frampton, Lara, or Khan to avoid punches with their rotational lateral movement.

Nelo's compubox alone justifies a good performance for the DRAW. Little Gee was just flinging jabs around and missing. If GGG didnt have good defense, as he finally showed it against Canelo, Nelo would've knocked him out. The Defense by Lil'G in the Nelo fight shows how he was trolling against Brook or Wade
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:07 AM #23
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Wow. What a hate fest this thread is. So much hate for GGG and Canelo. Haters telling each other what cowards and poor fighters GGG and Canelo both are and how much better than both of them Lara is. Haters telling each other how fuked up the fans of Canelo and GGG are. It's funny how a fight between these two cowards and lousy fighters GGG and Canelo is the biggest fight in boxing and the rematch boxing fans want to see the most.
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If this is in comparison with Beyontay, it's apples and chicken.
Klitschko was there for the taking in his own division.
Beyontay didn't do a damn thing about it.
There's nobody there for lil G to step up with.
Ward is in a different division and was focusing on moving up and suing his promoter at the same time.
Apples and chicken.
People ain't stupid dawg.
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that doesn't make any sense. Nelo fought a PRIME Trout and LARA. Who forced Alvarez to fight Lara? Maybe you haven't kept tabs.... but how many Gold medals did Cuba win at Rio...

Lara was a dangerous fight...surely Oscar wouldn't have advised that but LARA went and PUNKED Nelo on the spot during the press conference...what else could Alvarez do? Plus since they fought Angulo...who knows maybe Showtime orchestrated all that? Would Oscar agree to that plot for profit gain?

Ironically, you don't even get the point. This thread is for upper echelon critical thinking. THe context is 2013. Where was Alvarez fighting at 2013?

You might want to revise your Golovkin history and his verbatim starting at 2013 regarding Ward in the posted above...

Let me know when you catch up and acknowledge that. Because Alvarez started at 140... you're still ignoring the basics of this thread and ''154-168 ez fomi''
I really wanted to see GGG & Ward duke it out, Ward would have stopped GGG.
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If this is in comparison with Beyontay, it's apples and chicken.
Klitschko was there for the taking in his own division.
Beyontay didn't do a damn thing about it.
There's nobody there for lil G to step up with.
Ward is in a different division and was focusing on moving up and suing his promoter at the same time.
Apples and chicken.
People ain't stupid dawg.
I agreed with everything you said until the people aren't stupid part. Some of the replies in this thread should've showed you otherwise.
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Wow. What a hate fest this thread is. So much hate for GGG and Canelo. Haters telling each other what cowards and poor fighters GGG and Canelo both are and how much better than both of them Lara is. Haters telling each other how fuked up the fans of Canelo and GGG are. It's funny how a fight between these two cowards and lousy fighters GGG and Canelo is the biggest fight in boxing and the rematch boxing fans want to see the most.
Canelo? the context was Ward..

as usual, Nelo is the bone being thrown to deflect from the point
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If this is in comparison with Beyontay, it's apples and chicken.
Klitschko was there for the taking in his own division.
Beyontay didn't do a damn thing about it.
There's nobody there for lil G to step up with.
Ward is in a different division and was focusing on moving up and suing his promoter at the same time.
Apples and chicken.
People ain't stupid dawg.
GGG still wanted 164 when Ward was already with Roc.

keep trying to fabricate things doe, and learn your tenses
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nope. you seem to forget that boxers and their coaches keep track of rounds during and in between. there's a reason why Khan likes to fight high outputs when during the 10 second warning bells to catch attention to the judges.

Canelo doesn't fight like Frampton, Lara, or Khan to avoid punches with their rotational lateral movement.

Nelo's compubox alone justifies a good performance for the DRAW. Little Gee was just flinging jabs around and missing. If GGG didnt have good defense, as he finally showed it against Canelo, Nelo would've knocked him out. The Defense by Lil'G in the Nelo fight shows how he was trolling against Brook or Wade
compubox lmao. the totally inaccurate numbers justify a draw???
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ward didnt want to fight what could ggg do? just look at the offer. it was pure publicity and nothing more. just something he could say to use that lame lil g line when ward didnt offer to fight ggg right away. he wanted a tune up and for ggg to postpone the canelo fight. unbelievable.
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