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Old 06-15-2017, 09:02 PM #21
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Corbyn is a radical, he has always been a radical. Just because he speaks softly doesn't mean he isn't a wolf.

This would be the tip of the iceberg for what he wants in the UK.
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The title of this thread isn't misleading at all,the fact that these homes are empty doesn't matter one bit,you just justify seizing peoples home because they're empty and that's bull****,they're privately owned,you can't go seizing people property just like that,and the tower fire was a bridge too far,yes but that ain't the problem of private home owners who's homes are empty,private property is private property period.
I find this really disturbing that the left in western countries believe that there is nothing wrong in seizing someone's private property just because that person is rich.
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:05 AM #23
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Using empty houses to provide shelter to people who have just gone through hell, lost their homes, their possessions etc...

What a novel idea.
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Using empty homes to help people who have lost everything in a fire, possibly including their family

How dare Corbyn suggest a thing

You people are pathetic with these threads, you are a stain on society
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:56 AM #25
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That's totally wrong..

The reason Venezuela is in trouble is because the government took over everything, became "too big to fail" and then did exactly that and failed when government cash cow of oil plummeted .
When everything from medicine, food, water, milk, energy, etc is provided by one centralized government, of course shortages are going to happen when that government goes broke....

The economist had a great article on it
Let's be honest with ourselves. There is not a single reason as towhy Venezuela has failed as a nation state. However, it is freely admitted in Washington that the USA has been at war with Socialism since 1945.

We know the USA ravages its neighbors and treats its own poor citizens like trash. However that is for a different thread.

Right now we are discussing where the victims of this terrible tragedy should be re housed. Maybe we can send them to the moon?

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Corbyn is a radical, he has always been a radical. Just because he speaks softly doesn't mean he isn't a wolf.

This would be the tip of the iceberg for what he wants in the UK.
Corbyn has always been rebel backbencher because the man has principles that he stands by. Are his beliefs and ideas radical? Well, only if you're put of the establishment. What is so crazy about staying out of foreign wars, nationalising railways, providing public sector workers nurses/teachers/firemen a payrise for the first time in a decade?

The system is rigged and Corbyn is attempting to rebalance it. Which is why you have Rupert Murdoch has his mates viciously attacking Corbyn on all fronts.

If you're siding with the Sun/DM and their corrupt party of toffs in all of this, theres not much left to say.

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Old 06-16-2017, 06:07 AM #26
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Let's be honest with ourselves. There is not a single reason as towhy Venezuela has failed as a nation state. However, it is freely admitted in Washington that the USA has been at war with Socialism since 1945.

We know the USA ravages its neighbors and treats its own poor citizens like trash. However that is for a different thread.

Right now we are discussing where the victims of this terrible tragedy should be re housed. Maybe we can send them to the moon?



Corbyn has always been rebel backbencher because the man has principles that he stands by. Are his beliefs and ideas radical? Well, only if you're put of the establishment. What is so crazy about staying out of foreign wars, nationalising railways, providing public sector workers nurses/teachers/firemen a payrise for the first time in a decade?

The system is rigged and Corbyn is attempting to rebalance it. Which is why you have Rupert Murdoch has his mates viciously attacking Corbyn on all fronts.

If you're siding with the Sun/DM and their corrupt party of toffs in all of this, theres not much left to say.
Agreed.

Nationalising railways is completely necessary. They still subsidise these private companies anyway it's a joke.

What always gets me is that a Tory government has no revenue apart from taxation.

Tories don't do anything because they never do anything about anything other than sell things without the fundamental understanding that when you sell something it's not yours anymore.

The NHS for example could make it's own simple medical supplies at cost. Simple stuff like dressings, saline solution, various skin prep solutions, generic meds. NHS trusts get it at cost here and we can sell everything abroad utilising the NHS brand.

Out of all the bright sparks in this country why isn't the NHS in itself essentially a global commercial brand? Selling expertise, treatments, and medical supplies. 'Keeping people alive since the 1940's and not ruining their fucking lives could be their tag-line'

Offer private care within NHS hospitals. If Lord Twatface goes into hospital to get his kidney stones removed and he doesn't want to stay in a bay with the plebs he can pay for his own side room.

Patients' currently pay an outside company if they want access to a tele, films etc (it is really expensive too about 15 a day). That shouldn't exist. Don't renew that contract ffs, because how can you allow that profiteering and have a nurse in ICU on 21k a year? Patients' should pay the NHS for the tele not hospedia or whatever that company is.

It's expensive but develop new drugs including the ones we need like new antibiotics (we know there's no money in them but we do need new ones or we'll be dying of simple infections in a 100 years). But develop drugs for the drugs that insidious health issues that cost us billions and have the biggest human cost.

Right now it's dementia and for me it likely always will be until the antibiotics stop working. Living too long and losing our marbles. It will happen to a lot of us the simple physiology of ageing.

If the NHS developed a drug that stopped the aggregrate of the protein within the brain that causes alzheimers (there is already a drug like that) but requires funding and human trials. If Britain successfully developed a preventative drug for that it would save health and social care billions upon billions upon billions. And the NHS could sell it for billions upon billion upon billions.

The NHS itself can also commit to fundraising imo.

The NHS especially is in the situation that it needs more government involvement not less. Certainly not devolving powers to individual cities and ring fencing spending. That isn't going to help.

And Grenfell towers shows us we need more government involvement at local level where social inequalities are there highest. Kensington is lucky they elected a labour MP this time because nothing will be swept under the rug.

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Let's be honest with ourselves. There is not a single reason as towhy Venezuela has failed as a nation state. However, it is freely admitted in Washington that the USA has been at war with Socialism since 1945.

We know the USA ravages its neighbors and treats its own poor citizens like trash. However that is for a different thread.

Right now we are discussing where the victims of this terrible tragedy should be re housed. Maybe we can send them to the moon?



Corbyn has always been rebel backbencher because the man has principles that he stands by. Are his beliefs and ideas radical? Well, only if you're put of the establishment. What is so crazy about staying out of foreign wars, nationalising railways, providing public sector workers nurses/teachers/firemen a payrise for the first time in a decade?

The system is rigged and Corbyn is attempting to rebalance it. Which is why you have Rupert Murdoch has his mates viciously attacking Corbyn on all fronts.

If you're siding with the Sun/DM and their corrupt party of toffs in all of this, theres not much left to say.


Lmao.. none of what you posted has any point..

There is a single reason why Venezuela failed.. its socialism..

Here let me explain.

Socialist Venezuela is failing because they have no concept of economics.

Venezuela takes over all means of production and forces price controls.. like saying this medicine can only cost $5.. but in reality it costs $7 to make, they did this with a variety of products and services.. the government would lose production capacity as input costs where higher than what you could charge to do price controls, so the government had to subsidize..

and the government didn't just do this with one product, they did it with nearly all products which caused them to have to import huge amounts of the most basic stuff, but then had ration it so everyone was "equal" which leads to lower standard of living and also caused horrible inflation so most of the population can't afford basic products.

And then oil prices drop globally and Venezuela had all their eggs in that basket and it got crushed, so now Venezuela can't afford to buy and distribute "fairly" to all their citizens so their are massive shortages of products like food and medicine

This is exactly why Venezuela is in the shape they are in.. no other reason than horrible economics
Socialism failed,, just like it did in USSR..


HENCE WHY AMERICA HAS BEEN AT WAR WITH SOCIALISM SONCE 1945.. it doesn't work, lowers standards of living and has proven to be disasterous time and time again..

But idiots believe in this stuff and America is filled with young idiots, which is why Bernie sanders was so popular

Bernie vowed to have free college for everyone... now if that happened then all the colleges would go from 45k a year to 1 million a semester as consumer doesn't have to pay for it and government (taxpayers) get stuck with bill... then Bernie would say it's too expensive and college price controls would be implemented, colleges would then ration money which in turn rations services provided by the colleges.. Bernie and the government would then subsidize via borrowing money thru debt markets, which would cause currency to become worthless and the debt would carry junk bond status, and the country would go broke just like Venezuela, USSR, etc

This is reality and not fantasyland... to believe that a politician can just clap his hands and say "milk will be $1 gallon, college tuition will be free, medicine will be $3, etc and have everything work out is just stupid economics and stupid people believing it
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Absolutely nobody in this country reflects corbyns views on this because they are so uber socialist its unreal.
He has a far left wing of youth voters who are in it for themselves because he wants to abolish uni fees, which somehow they think is going to be all funded from taxing the top 5%.

Everything other than anti conservative slamming for the sake of it, and tuition fees, they couldnt give a **** about. noone backs corbyn on this at all other than 20 year old speccy anarchists who cry viva la revolucion whilst waiting for their mum to make their breakfast
That communist got 260+ seats in the election. Most people in this country are f***cking idiots and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up winning the next election because the number of cheap, miserable nasty f**ckers in this country keeps growing and growing.
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Lmao.. none of what you posted has any point..

There is a single reason why Venezuela failed.. its socialism..

Here let me explain.

Socialist Venezuela is failing because they have no concept of economics.

Venezuela takes over all means of production and forces price controls.. like saying this medicine can only cost $5.. but in reality it costs $7 to make, they did this with a variety of products and services.. the government would lose production capacity as input costs where higher than what you could charge to do price controls, so the government had to subsidize..

and the government didn't just do this with one product, they did it with nearly all products which caused them to have to import huge amounts of the most basic stuff, but then had ration it so everyone was "equal" which leads to lower standard of living and also caused horrible inflation so most of the population can't afford basic products.

And then oil prices drop globally and Venezuela had all their eggs in that basket and it got crushed, so now Venezuela can't afford to buy and distribute "fairly" to all their citizens so their are massive shortages of products like food and medicine

This is exactly why Venezuela is in the shape they are in.. no other reason than horrible economics
Socialism failed,, just like it did in USSR..


HENCE WHY AMERICA HAS BEEN AT WAR WITH SOCIALISM SONCE 1945.. it doesn't work, lowers standards of living and has proven to be disasterous time and time again..

But idiots believe in this stuff and America is filled with young idiots, which is why Bernie sanders was so popular

Bernie vowed to have free college for everyone... now if that happened then all the colleges would go from 45k a year to 1 million a semester as consumer doesn't have to pay for it and government (taxpayers) get stuck with bill... then Bernie would say it's too expensive and college price controls would be implemented, colleges would then ration money which in turn rations services provided by the colleges.. Bernie and the government would then subsidize via borrowing money thru debt markets, which would cause currency to become worthless and the debt would carry junk bond status, and the country would go broke just like Venezuela, USSR, etc

This is reality and not fantasyland... to believe that a politician can just clap his hands and say "milk will be $1 gallon, college tuition will be free, medicine will be $3, etc and have everything work out is just stupid economics and stupid people believing it
Whereas Capitalism is working out just great, huh?
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