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Old 05-16-2019, 06:10 PM #32611
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You've never heard of her, yet you are rendering an opinion that "she got no chance in winning?"

Got it.
What he said makes sense.

The guy is obviously politically knowledgeable, moreso than the average voter, and he hasn't heard of her.

No one with that complete lack of name recognition at this point in a campaign has a real chance.

Let's be honest here.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:17 PM #32612
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That is a great point. And the answer is no. That is why Barr has assigned an investigation into how the whole thing even started.

A political attempt to overturn a lawfully elected president.
And the swamp rats are already starting to turn on each other.....


Obama spymasters point fingers amid Russia probe review: ‘Throwing each other under the bus’

The launch of a formal inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation -- being led by one of the Justice Department’s toughest prosecutors -- has touched off a new round of behind-the-scenes finger-pointing among Obama administration officials who could have some explaining to do about efforts to surveil the Trump campaign.

A key dispute that flared this week concerns whether then-FBI Director James Comey or then-CIA Director John Brennan -- or both of them -- pushed the unverified Steele dossier containing claims about President Trump and his relationship to Russia. The dossier’s more sensational claims were never substantiated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team.

“Amazing—James Comey says that in 2016, John Brennan insisted on including the dossier in their IC assessment. But Brennan says: no no, COMEY wanted to use the dossier,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows, a Republican who has long demanded answers about the origins of the probe, tweeted Thursday in reference to a prior Fox News report.

Meadows added: “They know the truth is coming. And now they're all throwing each other under the bus.”

Sources familiar with the records told Fox News that a late-2016 email chain indicated Comey told bureau subordinates that Brennan insisted the dossier be included in the intelligence community assessment on Russian interference, known as the ICA. That email chain has not been made public.

But in a statement to Fox News, a former CIA official put the blame squarely on Comey.

"Former Director Brennan, along with former [Director of National Intelligence] James Clapper, are the ones who opposed James Comey’s recommendation that the Steele Dossier be included in the intelligence report," the official said.

Clapper previously testified that the dossier was not ultimately used in the ICA. News that Comey had briefed Trump personally on the dossier before the inauguration -- purportedly to warn him of potential blackmail threats -- leaked within days and opened the door for media outlets to publicize the dossier's lurid claims.

Fox News has reached out to Comey's legal team twice, and provided the statement from the former CIA official, but did not receive a reply on the record. Comey, who often posts on Twitter, has not commented publicly on the story.


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When an admitted leaker like Comey suddenly claims up, it ain't looking good.

The D superfans may have actually been right, high ranking politicians may be going to prison.

It just wont be the people they were expecting.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:43 PM #32613
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And the swamp rats are already starting to turn on each other.....


Obama spymasters point fingers amid Russia probe review: ‘Throwing each other under the bus’

The launch of a formal inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation -- being led by one of the Justice Department’s toughest prosecutors -- has touched off a new round of behind-the-scenes finger-pointing among Obama administration officials who could have some explaining to do about efforts to surveil the Trump campaign.

A key dispute that flared this week concerns whether then-FBI Director James Comey or then-CIA Director John Brennan -- or both of them -- pushed the unverified Steele dossier containing claims about President Trump and his relationship to Russia. The dossier’s more sensational claims were never substantiated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team.

“Amazing—James Comey says that in 2016, John Brennan insisted on including the dossier in their IC assessment. But Brennan says: no no, COMEY wanted to use the dossier,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows, a Republican who has long demanded answers about the origins of the probe, tweeted Thursday in reference to a prior Fox News report.

Meadows added: “They know the truth is coming. And now they're all throwing each other under the bus.”

Sources familiar with the records told Fox News that a late-2016 email chain indicated Comey told bureau subordinates that Brennan insisted the dossier be included in the intelligence community assessment on Russian interference, known as the ICA. That email chain has not been made public.

But in a statement to Fox News, a former CIA official put the blame squarely on Comey.

"Former Director Brennan, along with former [Director of National Intelligence] James Clapper, are the ones who opposed James Comey’s recommendation that the Steele Dossier be included in the intelligence report," the official said.

Clapper previously testified that the dossier was not ultimately used in the ICA. News that Comey had briefed Trump personally on the dossier before the inauguration -- purportedly to warn him of potential blackmail threats -- leaked within days and opened the door for media outlets to publicize the dossier's lurid claims.

Fox News has reached out to Comey's legal team twice, and provided the statement from the former CIA official, but did not receive a reply on the record. Comey, who often posts on Twitter, has not commented publicly on the story.


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It just wont be the people they were expecting.
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The rats are panicking. It’s every man for himself now.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:54 PM #32614
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The rats are panicking. It’s every man for himself now.
I warned em. Its coming and thats why they're trying to go in on Barr now.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:54 PM #32615
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I’m voting for Tulsi Gabbard - she’s anti-war, anti-intervention and anti-regime change. Complete lunatic, right?
The thing is being anti-war/intervention/regime change is not the same as being anti abortion or anti gun or whatever

The situation changes as the country, regime, region changes.

You cant just say you're anti war, anti intervention, anti regime change.

That's idiotic without taking into account different situations.

Sometimes you need to go to war.

Sometimes you have to intervene.

Sometimes you need to change the leaders of an opposing nation.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:07 PM #32616
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It seems we've been spending pages debating whether or not Trump is "innocent" or "not guilty".

My question is has the legal threshold been met to even say a crime has been committed? Much less whether or not Trump is guilty...
That's not what the conversation was about. It was about whether it has been proven that he is innocent.

As for the question of whether the legal threshold has been met to say a crime has been committed, isn't that why the unredacted report has been requested?
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:35 PM #32617
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That's not what the conversation was about. It was about whether it has been proven that he is innocent.

As for the question of whether the legal threshold has been met to say a crime has been committed, isn't that why the unredacted report has been requested?
The conversation is about whether or not a man is proven innocent of a crime that it hasn't been proven has been committed.

So, until we establish that a crime has even been committed, there isn't even a question of guilt or innocence. That's putting the cart ahead of the horse.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:36 PM #32618
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The conversation is about whether or not a man is proven innocent of a crime that it hasn't been proven has been committed.

So, until we establish that a crime has even been committed, there isn't even a question of guilt or innocence. That's putting the cart ahead of the horse.
And that's all fine, and mostly my point.

We can't say he's innocent (as many Trump fans have done) without knowing all the facts.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:38 PM #32619
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And that's all fine, and mostly my point.

We can't say he's innocent (as many Trump fans have done) without knowing all the facts.
Of course we can say he's innocent. We can't even say a crime has been committed
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