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Old 06-14-2019, 01:00 PM #21
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Because now you're encroaching on my right to peace.....
Can you cite where in the US Constitution you are guaranteed that 'right'?
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:17 PM #22
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Can you cite where in the US Constitution you are guaranteed that 'right'?

Precisely why I want California to secede. Because we're stuck with this 'right'.

It's too bad we can't just shooo you guys away so we can do our own thing. Too bad indeed.
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Constitutional rights aside, what's your hang up on law abiding American citizens carrying guns openly?



When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Again I ask; where do have the worst crime rates? Cities with strict gun laws or cities with lax gun laws....

It's not even close, so it shouldn't be tough to answer this one.
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More people, more crime. Not hard to figure out, thus cities will ALWAYS have more crime.

We don't want open carry in California. What's your hang up with what the people of California want? These laws are passed by politicians voted in and kept in office by the people of California.

Again, quit trying to change us.
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:29 PM #24
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I woulda been more mad that he was holding up the line at the drive thru while iím waiting behind him. Motherf/cker I gotta get something to eat and go home to rest, to go back to work. With your fake ass rap career. Wtf are you doing drugged up or drunk sleeping at a drive thru? Wasting peopleís time.

With that said, I donít agree with the way he was murdered, but sounds like his irresponsibility and poor life choices costed him his life. Itís unfortunate all around. I doubt any cop wants that type of negative attention on them of shooting a black nowadays, all hell breaks loose due to the history of cops vs blacks and the countless video footage of abuse made by police. So I donít think those cops did that with any malicious intent. They were called by scared ass civilians who couldnít handle the situation by themselves, and this is what happens when you call cops, they may handle the situation by killing.
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Old 06-14-2019, 02:16 PM #25
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So how many "shots" would they have had to fire for you to consider it "reasonable?"
1 or 2, 3 tops for each. They all essentially unloaded their clips in the guy.

Donít think they should have shot at all but Iím not a cop in Vallejo.
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I remember this story. 55 shots for a cat who woke up mid-situation. That seems a lil excessive. Although I'm assuming 15 shots probably equal him being dead too.

That said probably not an awesome idea to fall asleep with a gun in your lap at a taco bell parking lot at night.

Randomly was this guys' gun legal? Lil more excusable if he was legal & a lil more understandable with the cops if he wasn't. Although 55 shots idk.
What does the guns status have to do with it? The cops wouldnít know until they retrieve it anyway.
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I disagree with the reports finding that the shootings were reasonable

Six California police officers responding to a call about a man slumped unresponsive in his car fired-off 55 shots at the man in 3.5 seconds, according to an independent use-of-force report ordered by the city of Vallejo.

The report's author, David Blake, concluded that the tactics used by the Vallejo Police Department officers on Willie McCoy, 20, were "reasonable based upon my training and experience as a range instructor as well as through applied human factors psychology."


Blake, a police consultant and retired officer, also wrote in the report released this week that the use of deadly force was "objectively reasonable and necessary" given the circumstances of the situation. Officers said they saw a handgun on McCoy's lap, and believed he was reaching for it when he suddenly woke up.


Willie McCoyLaw Offices of John L. Burris
The death of McCoy, a Bay Area rapper, at a Taco Bell drive-thru on Feb. 9 in Vallejo set off demands by the community for police accountability and an independent investigation into the entire department's training and an alleged pattern of racial profiling.
A law needs to be pass to give a sleepin man with a gun a warning shot to wake him up

Then they can fire 55 shots
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Precisely why I want California to secede. Because we're stuck with this 'right'.

It's too bad we can't just shooo you guys away so we can do our own thing. Too bad indeed.
So you were, again, talking out your....

You have no right to "peace".


I'd love for you guys to leave. You'll be Greece within a decade, if not less time.

But that ball is in y'alls court.

If you want to leave, you need to be conversing with your State representatives to get the ball rolling, as opposed to arguing endlessly with people about every point ( or more accurately those points which you dont avoid
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More people, more crime. Not hard to figure out, thus cities will ALWAYS have more crime.
I'm specified crime rates, not crime totals.

Please, keep up.

Now if you dont grasp the difference between crime rates and crime totals, feel free to say so and I can try and explain it to you.

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We don't want open carry in California. What's your hang up with what the people of California want? These laws are passed by politicians voted in and kept in office by the people of California.

Again, quit trying to change us.
Again, it's only about Constitutional rights.

If y'all want to let people shat and shoot up in the streets, if you want to give your tax money to illegal aliens, and if you want to invite more homeless over there, be my guest.

More power to y'all. We sure as hell dont want that nonsense, so it's great you'll take it.

But you cant take Constitutional rights away from American citizens, no matter how much you want to.

Respect our rights as you yourself are demanding respect.


Now, can you please answer the question on the table....
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I woulda been more mad that he was holding up the line at the drive thru while iím waiting behind him. Motherf/cker I gotta get something to eat and go home to rest, to go back to work. With your fake ass rap career. Wtf are you doing drugged up or drunk sleeping at a drive thru? Wasting peopleís time.

With that said, I donít agree with the way he was murdered, but sounds like his irresponsibility and poor life choices costed him his life. Itís unfortunate all around. I doubt any cop wants that type of negative attention on them of shooting a black nowadays, all hell breaks loose due to the history of cops vs blacks and the countless video footage of abuse made by police. So I donít think those cops did that with any malicious intent. They were called by scared ass civilians who couldnít handle the situation by themselves, and this is what happens when you call cops, they may handle the situation by killing.
Theres a reason cops are issued guns.

The purpose of guns is to put bullets into people.


99.9% of these cop shootings, racism isnt involved.

Even racists dont wanna be investigated, jailed, fired, etc.

With cops, I'd be more worried about harassment and planting evidence.

But cops being racist and looking for black ppl to shoot? That's rare.
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