So Wilder only made 7 mil for the Fury fight NOT 14 mil.

[DaNeutral.]

It has everything to do with the split. You just don't want it to because you were called on your BS. And when you were, your comparison has no similarities to the current Wilder/Joshua situation.

If you think that any undefeated HW champion is going to take about 20% of a gate you're deluded. The whole narrative of the "B" side should just take crumbs doesn't work when you have a belt and you're a big enough draw to rake in enough money to live like a king for the rest of your life. There are B sides who can't draw enough to make a decent living. Then there are the guys who can make enough that they don't have to bend over and take it because someone who is a slightly bigger draw comes along and wants to take the vast majority of the pie. At that point you have power to tell them to take a flying friggin' leap and come back with a decent offer. Wilder has that power.

While you talk about Wilder not being able to get as much without Joshua, the converse is true as well. Wilder is his biggest payday. According to Whyte, Joshua turned down $50M to fight Wilder. He's not getting that in his next fight. So why don't you apply the same logic both ways? Oh, that's right, because you're a fanboy.

The whole notion of anyone ducking anyone is just the ravings of small minded (and similarly endowed) fanboys. The whole idea is to drum up interest and exhaust the "easy" money out there before making the deal. It's posturing, nothing more, and when either side is really serious about getting a deal done it will get done. It won't get done with stupid flat amounts or poison pills in the rematch either. It's a business and until you look at it like that you'll never understand a damn thing about this sport.

Ahhh, i see the problem. You are way overestemating Wilder. Your still talking the big numbers. How many more times does Wilder have to prove he isnt bringing enough to demand what he does, you need to consider what he earns fight to fight as much as you are just guessing these giant incomes in the future.

[Granath]

Only God knows what the projected earnings would be doe.
So this thing about everything should be in percentage splits is stupid to me.
Most of Mayweather's opponents didn't have these stupid splits.
Yes, the so-called king of PPVs.
Maidana only got $1 mil flat in his first fight with FM.
Bottom line is the A-side deserves to make money as much as he wants.
That should be one of the perks of being A-side.
When the B side wins, then I for one have no problem if he offers 10% in the rematch, or a flat fee, for all I care.
Bottom line again, there are no rigid rules in any negotiations.
Remember, Wilder was the one begging for the fight.
He got jealous when he saw AJ dismantled Klitschko, who he avoided.
The undeserving bum killer suddenly became a chooser.

You might want to rethink your post.

1. Promoters can make a reasonable estimate on what a fight like this will draw. It's not like there's some non-quantifiable number that will just suddenly happen magically. This is a business and it can be estimated with pretty decent accuracy.

2. If you truly believe in your post then you totally understand why this deal would be rejected. Why would Wilder agree to a 50/50 split in a rematch if he wins the title? That was part of that same offer (and 30% if he lost or drew). So this $15m BS deal shouldn't happen by your very own logic.

The bottom line is that it takes two to tango.

PS - you're wrong about Mayweather / Maidana. Maidana walked away with $5.7M in that first fight and no one cared about seeing him. He couldn't get millions elsewhere unlike Wilder.

[Granath]

Ahhh, i see the problem. You are way overestemating Wilder. Your still talking the big numbers. How many more times does Wilder have to prove he isnt bringing enough to demand what he does, you need to consider what he earns fight to fight as much as you are just guessing these giant incomes in the future.

There's only two giant fights in the near future.

Joshua v Wilder
Joshua v Fury

That's it and it depends on who wins Wilder/Fury 2 (assuming it happens). But there's little doubt Wilder's revenues have been going up. $4M for the canceled fight against Povetkin. $2.5M against Stiverne. Supposedly $5M against Ortiz (http://tsmsportz.com/boxing/deontay-...s-ortiz-purse/). $8M or so against Fury with significantly more if/when there's a rematch.

BBC Sport boxing reporter Luke Reddy

Deontay Wilder may well feel uneasy about a decrease in his perceived value for this potential rematch but there can be no doubt the sell through of a second bout will far exceed their first meeting.

In a nutshell, there will be a bigger pie to slice up.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46898641

The point is his draw has been steadily increasing. It's not near what Joshua could draw - I'd rather watch AJ anyway - but it's rising. And so is his fee.

Hearn was offering barely $2.5M when he was fighting Stiverne. Now that's up to $15M. When it's a 60/40 split the deal will be done.

[Robbie Barrett]

It has everything to do with the split. You just don't want it to because you were called on your BS. And when you were, your comparison has no similarities to the current Wilder/Joshua situation.

If you think that any undefeated HW champion is going to take about 20% of a gate you're deluded. The whole narrative of the "B" side should just take crumbs doesn't work when you have a belt and you're a big enough draw to rake in enough money to live like a king for the rest of your life. There are B sides who can't draw enough to make a decent living. Then there are the guys who can make enough that they don't have to bend over and take it because someone who is a slightly bigger draw comes along and wants to take the vast majority of the pie. At that point you have power to tell them to take a flying friggin' leap and come back with a decent offer. Wilder has that power.

While you talk about Wilder not being able to get as much without Joshua, the converse is true as well. Wilder is his biggest payday. According to Whyte, Joshua turned down $50M to fight Wilder. He's not getting that in his next fight. So why don't you apply the same logic both ways? Oh, that's right, because you're a fanboy.

The whole notion of anyone ducking anyone is just the ravings of small minded (and similarly endowed) fanboys. The whole idea is to drum up interest and exhaust the "easy" money out there before making the deal. It's posturing, nothing more, and when either side is really serious about getting a deal done it will get done. It won't get done with stupid flat amounts or poison pills in the rematch either. It's a business and until you look at it like that you'll never understand a damn thing about this sport.

Even when the B side was a draw they got much less than people are arguing Wilder should get.

Mayweather got 32% against DLH.
Hopkins got 25% against DLH

etc.

Joshua is the much bigger draw and deserves a much bigger split of the purse. That's how business goes. If you don't know that then you don't know ****.

[SkillspayBills]

Wait, why the **** do you care how much either fighter made?

[W1LL]

Wait, why the **** do you care how much either fighter made?

Because anything Hearns preachs is gospel to Bobbie Rarrett.

[Robbie Barrett]

Wait, why the **** do you care how much either fighter made?

Ask the idiots that have been saying Wilder made 14 mil as an excuse for him turning down Joshua's offer of 15. Saying Wilder outsmarted them because he made 14 mil etc. Where you one of them?

[Robbie Barrett]

Because anything Hearns preachs is gospel to Bobbie Rarrett.

Hearn didn't say it you bellend.

[Robbie Barrett]

Wilder fans flopping back to "why you care about how much they make" again? You started with that stance and then started calling offers lowballs. You ******s.

[Kezzer]

Ok fair enough

But we can break it down

The 7mil fury is referring to could be post-tax

USA PPV: 325k x 75usd = 24.5mil. something like 40% goes to cable provider from my understanding and 10% to network i.e. showtime

Total : 12.25mil

UK ppv : jay deas , one of Wilders managers said on thaboxingvoice it did between 400 and 500k buys

450k x 25usd = 11mil USD

Divide it by half and ..

Total: 5.5mil

Total net profit to fighters and their teams of both ppvs : 17.75mil

Then you add the gate which did well. And international tv

Undercard cost was 2mil

So yea , depending on gate and international tv can see both guys earning over 10mil

There is absolutely no chance that there were 400k buys in the uk. I will tell you two key reasons why

1) frank warren has refused to talk about the numbers, to the extent where he has also ensured anyone interviewing him edits the video to remove any reference of the question before they can post it.

2) at 4am in the morning the only person who would have a chance of 400k in the uk would be AJ and that would be far from certain. Let’s remember that fury vs Klitschko (in Germany, so prime time) made only 500,000!!