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Old 03-16-2019, 02:46 PM #21
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OK but in terms of pure algebraic logic how does that make Trump a cause or inspiration for terror attacks?
Look at the quotation. He stated himself that he is a supporter of Donald Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity and they share a common purpose. That pretty much says it all. Don't you wonder why he feels that way? I haven't heard that he mentioned the Clintons in that manifesto. But you're arguing that thee Clintons are more to blame than the person the terrorist mentions that he is a supporter of? That doesn't jive well.


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The forces that first destabilized the Middle East then promoted mass invasion of Western countries are the underlying cause for terrorism on both sides.
That simply can't be verified unless you have some kind of time machine where you can go back, take away events, and watch what happens.

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Do you believe that had the Cold War proxy conflicts in the ME, the Iraq invasion, the subversive funding of ISIS/Syrian civil war, destruction of Libya etc never happened & Islamification of EU never began that this man would have carried out this terror attack because Donald Trump campaigned on reduced immigration?

Yes/no?
This is impossible to know. I have no idea why you are attempting to travel back in time and claim to know exactly what the outcome of this all would be. It seems like an excuse to shift blame. Absent what you've mentioned above, the terrorist would have been just one of the fine people on both sides that Trump referred to I guess.
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The bottom line is we are living in the present time where this dude decided to carry out this evil scheme to achieve some sort of goal which he believes he shares in common with Trump, for some reason. I think that says a lot, don't you?
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:01 PM #22
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Seems like hindsight was 20/20 for POTUS. You can't just go back in time and claim to know how things were going to go. It doesn't work that way.
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:09 PM #23
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Personally I don't think you have an argument. I think you're sore about me laughing at your clumsy TV stat and following me around.
That's his schtick.

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He's here to play Gotcha! and use attrition tactics and then annoint himself 'wins' and e-prance around in all his e-glory.

You're a sharp guy and should see this.....

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Yes there eating their own, that's why i find it amusing,they're digging their own graves, they think they will be exempt or treated differently but they won't
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Look at the quotation. He stated himself that he is a supporter of Donald Trump as a symbol of renewed White identity and they share a common purpose. That pretty much says it all. Don't you wonder why he feels that way? I haven't heard that he mentioned the Clintons in that manifesto. But you're arguing that thee Clintons are more to blame than the person the terrorist mentions that he is a supporter of? That doesn't jive well.




That simply can't be verified unless you have some kind of time machine where you can go back, take away events, and watch what happens.



This is impossible to know. I have no idea why you are attempting to travel back in time and claim to know exactly what the outcome of this all would be. It seems like an excuse to shift blame. Absent what you've mentioned above, the terrorist would have been just one of the fine people on both sides that Trump referred to I guess.
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The bottom line is we are living in the present time where this dude decided to carry out this evil scheme to achieve some sort of goal which he believes he shares in common with Trump, for some reason. I think that says a lot, don't you?
That does not appear to be what he believes. He never states that he was inspired by Trump nor that Trump is working towards the same goal. He says that he likes Trump as a symbolic white leader but in reality dislikes his policies.

The man was very clear in his motives.

He states that the American 1st/2nd amendments are diversionary freedoms that prevent the union from dissolving. He believes that by destroying them he will take away the main motivation most Americans have for tolerating each other & cause the union to dissolve.

He isn't incorrect. Most Americans (idle threats aside) could never grow accustomed to restrictive draconian societies like the UK nor truly right-wing ethnostates like Japan (which they conveniently never call "Nazis!"). They most likely dislike some group in the US they must coexist with, but they put up with it because they love the comparative personal freedoms & variety.

Trump campaigns on the notion that all races should move towards American conservatism and away from generic socialism in order to preserve the union. Pretty much the opposite. This would explain the man's "God, no" response to Trump's platform, but liking the fact that the US has a white president again.

Would you truly consider the terrorist to be motivated by Trump? You personally, regardless of media narratives, is that your belief?
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Seems like hindsight was 20/20 for POTUS. You can't just go back in time and claim to know how things were going to go. It doesn't work that way.
I stand corrected & remembered shortly after posting that how much Trump moved to the right. He was a bit of a "neo-con" back in the day, especially as a New Yorker following 9/11.

I do feel that the *current* Trump platform would have prevented a great deal of these conflicts via exhibiting the same stubborn refusal he is on Syria & the border, while extreme interventionists like the Clinton family positively hold much of the blame.
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That does not appear to be what he believes. He never states that he was inspired by Trump nor that Trump is working towards the same goal. He says that he likes Trump as a symbolic white leader but in reality dislikes his policies.

The man was very clear in his motives.

He states that the American 1st/2nd amendments are diversionary freedoms that prevent the union from dissolving. He believes that by destroying them he will take away the main motivation most Americans have for tolerating each other & cause the union to dissolve.

He isn't incorrect. Most Americans (idle threats aside) could never grow accustomed to restrictive draconian societies like the UK nor truly right-wing ethnostates like Japan (which they conveniently never call "Nazis!"). They most likely dislike some group in the US they must coexist with, but they put up with it because they love the comparative personal freedoms & variety.

Trump campaigns on the notion that all races should move towards American conservatism and away from generic socialism in order to preserve the union. Pretty much the opposite. This would explain the man's "God, no" response to Trump's platform, but liking the fact that the US has a white president again.

Would you truly consider the terrorist to be motivated by Trump? You personally, regardless of media narratives, is that your belief?
I'm not sure how much he was motivated by Trump and what Trump has stirred up, but he absolutely said that they share a common purpose. I just showed you the quotation.

A simple look in a thesaurus helps explain.

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I stand corrected & remembered shortly after posting that how much Trump moved to the right. He was a bit of a "neo-con" back in the day, especially as a New Yorker following 9/11.

I do feel that the *current* Trump platform would have prevented a great deal of these conflicts via exhibiting the same stubborn refusal he is on Syria & the border, while extreme interventionists like the Clinton family positively hold much of the blame.
No big deal. Respect for not fighting tooth and nail about it.
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Depends on what proof they have to back up their claim. I wonder if there is something to this when David Duke and Richard Spencer also see Trump as an ally. Hmmm
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You have to pull up some quotations of mine saying that those who kill a bunch of white people are good people. Happy hunting!
Iím just using your logic. Hopefully these boards see how flawed that logic is.
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I’m just using your logic. Hopefully these boards see how flawed that logic is.
It's not too tough to see.

Attrition tactics, can't ever answer a straight question, the numerous strawmen arguments, the constant e-beefing, the Gotcha! nonsense, the smug, and the e-preening.

Why anyone gives that clown the time of day is beyond me.
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