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Old 01-02-2017, 02:49 PM #21
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115-113 Lara....
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In the history of boxing, with all the robberies and all the bad decisions, I don't think I've ever heard of that happening before. Have you?
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In the history of boxing, with all the robberies and all the bad decisions, I don't think I've ever heard of that happening before. Have you?
I can't think of any off the top of my head.

CJ Ross got practically fired for scoring Mayweather Canelo a draw but that was after that fight of course.
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Round one: Williams
Round two: Williams
Round three: Lara
Round four: Williams
Round five: Lara
Round six: Lara
Round seven: Lara
Round eight: Williams
Round nine: Williams
Round ten: Lara
Round eleven: Lara
Round twelve: Williams


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This is a good example of a robbery. The range of plausible scorecards in my opinion are anywhere from close win for Lara to wide win for Lara.

But it's always good to try to keep yourself in check by questioning your beliefs and keeping your mind open, so I think it'll be a good exercise for me to re-watch the fight.

1- Lara clearly
2- Lara lost the first minute or so but hurt Williams in the middle of the round. Closer round.
3- Lara landed the more effective punches, but I thought Williams may have landed more punches total. Hardest round to call so far.
4- Williams clearly. Lara didn't do anything for most of it. Beautiful shot at the end by Lara though.
5- Williams outworked Lara in this round. Not enough answers from Lara to give him the round.
6- Williams close. Williams landing a lot of little punches to Lara's few but clean, thudding blows which in a way is the story of the fight.
7- Lara clearly
8- Lara
9- Lara
10- Williams close
11- Lara
12- Lara close

116-112 Lara.

I just have such a hard time imagining Williams getting 7+ of these rounds. Seems exceedingly generous to give Williams all of 2-6+10+12 or something like that. I wonder what rounds the judges gave to Williams...

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So if I'm really trying to get the most out of this.. should compare the scorecards with my own scores

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So the consensus rounds are:
Lara - 1, 7, 9
Williams - 3, 5, 6, 10
Seems a little generous but not outrageous for Rd 3 to be a consensus Williams round. EDIT: BM donobagaV made me realize that one judge actually scored rd 3 even.

The remaining:
Round 4 - Two for Williams, which I thought was a clean Williams round
Round 8 - Two for Williams, seems off to me
Round 11 - Two for Williams, seems off to me
Round 12 - One for Lara & two even, can't complain too much about that.

So my real pain points with the judges are with rounds 8 and 11. And after rewatching those rounds another time I haven't changed my mind about them. Especially 11 which was a super clean Lara round.

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3 rounds were 10-10?
I mean, interesting, but I subscribe to the 10-9 as the gold standard.
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