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  • Andre Ward and Daniel Jacobs - both stalling their fights to delay VADA Testing?

    Everybody knows that GGG wanted to fight Jacobs in December, he already had an HBO date, but Team Jacobs insisted on delaying the fight and claimed

    "December is too soon, we needed at least 10-12 weeks to prepare Jacobs for the GGG fight"
    https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=726081

    Then much much later, Jacobs finally signed to fight GGG to fight in March but he didnt yet sign his VADA papers! Middle of January, Jacobs was already training hard and Jacobs still was not enrolled to VADA, while GGG has been enrolled for the Clean boxing program since the Lemieux, which means 24/7 testing.

    Jacobs eventually signed his papers 6 weeks prior to the fight which is not remotely enough time to properly test a fighter. Jacobs who trained with PED Guru Victor Conte migh thave used all kinds of Performance Enhancing Drugs in his training camp until late January before "cycling off" and still get huge benefits leading into the fight with GGG.

    Andre Ward is doing something similar. The contract has a rematch clause which had an intended 4 months period of VADA testing, which would be ideal for efficient testing, the fight is supposed to happen on June 17th, that is less than 3 months away.

    It seems quite obvious that Ward is trying to stall the rematch as long as possible, same as Danny Jacobs, to delay VADA Testing and is doing some shady stuff. Again, Vada testing will be inefficient when a fighter like Ward can control when actual testing starts.

    Ward and Jacobs are following the blueprint of Floyd Mayweather who started to announce his last couple fights at a surprising late date to delay drug testing.

  • #2
    Good observation but I think a lot of paperwork and behind-the-scenes negotiating goes on before a fight is announced. How do you know they aren't being tested during that time?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jubei View Post
      Everybody knows that GGG wanted to fight Jacobs in December, he already had an HBO date, but Team Jacobs insisted on delaying the fight and claimed



      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=726081

      Then much much later, Jacobs finally signed to fight GGG to fight in March but he didnt yet sign his VADA papers! Middle of January, Jacobs was already training hard and Jacobs still was not enrolled to VADA, while GGG has been enrolled for the Clean boxing program since the Lemieux, which means 24/7 testing.

      Jacobs eventually signed his papers 6 weeks prior to the fight which is not remotely enough time to properly test a fighter. Jacobs who trained with PED Guru Victor Conte migh thave used all kinds of Performance Enhancing Drugs in his training camp until late January before "cycling off" and still get huge benefits leading into the fight with GGG.

      Andre Ward is doing something similar. The contract has a rematch clause which had an intended 4 months period of VADA testing, which would be ideal for efficient testing, the fight is supposed to happen on June 17th, that is less than 3 months away.

      It seems quite obvious that Ward is trying to stall the rematch as long as possible, same as Danny Jacobs, to delay VADA Testing and is doing some shady stuff. Again, Vada testing will be inefficient when a fighter like Ward can control when actual testing starts.

      Ward and Jacobs are following the blueprint of Floyd Mayweather who started to announce his last couple fights at a surprising late date to delay drug testing.
      hmm, dont like to accuse fighters but i gotta say that does look fishy....

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      • #4
        I think you have replaced Michael Jordan as the definition of "reaching"

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        • #5
          Any non-24/7/365 testing is bs. Making a big deal of a couple weeks or even a couple months for agreed testing is just covering a couple more yards on a hole in PED testing thats the size of a football field.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jubei View Post
            While GGG has been enrolled for the Clean boxing program since the Lemieux, which means 24/7 testing.
            No, he hasn't. Why are you making things up?

            GGG was in the process of cycling off when he delayed VADA for the Lemeiux fight until 2.5 weeks before the fight. It was his first non-vacant title fight so he needed the biggest ped boost as he could get for this one. At the same time he could pretend that he's a clean fighter by signing on to a useless doping program where he could control when actual testing starts.

            He also was cycling off when he delayed VADA until 4 weeks before the Wade fight. Still had to take peds, but not as many need compared compare to Lemeiux, hence the slightly longer testing.

            GGG only signed on to the Clean boxing program until 7 weeks before the Kell Brook fight because he didn't have to take as many peds to fight a welterweight compared to middleweights.

            The first fight where he had to take 24/7 testing was against Jacobs, which was noncoincidentally the fight where he got a gift decision since he didn't have precious peds to help him.
            Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 03-23-2017, 03:41 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View Post
              No, he hasn't. Why are you making things up?

              GGG was in the process of cycling off when he delayed VADA for the Lemeiux fight until 2.5 weeks before the fight. It was his first non-vacant title fight so he needed the biggest ped boost as he could get for this one. At the same time he could pretend that he's a clean fighter by signing on to a useless doping program where he could control when actual testing starts.

              He also was cycling off when he delayed VADA until 4 weeks before the Wade fight. Still had to take peds, but not as many need compared compare to Lemeiux, hence the slightly longer testing.

              GGG only signed on to the Clean boxing program until 7 weeks before the Kell Brook fight because he didn't have to take as many peds to fight a welterweight compared to middleweights.

              The first fight where he had to take 24/7 testing was against Jacobs, which was noncoincidentally the fight where he got a gift decision since he didn't have precious peds to help him.


              Facts......

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MrRolltide91 View Post
                Facts......
                Cognitive dissonance is too much for Jubei to handle.

                Also, Jacob's testing was just as long as GGG vs Brook's testing, not 6 weeks.
                Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 03-23-2017, 11:34 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View Post
                  No, he hasn't. Why are you making things up?

                  GGG was in the process of cycling off when he delayed VADA for the Lemeiux fight until 2.5 weeks before the fight. It was his first non-vacant title fight so he needed the biggest ped boost as he could get for this one. At the same time he could pretend that he's a clean fighter by signing on to a useless doping program where he could control when actual testing starts.

                  He also was cycling off when he delayed VADA until 4 weeks before the Wade fight. Still had to take peds, but not as many need compared compare to Lemeiux, hence the slightly longer testing.

                  GGG only signed on to the Clean boxing program until 7 weeks before the Kell Brook fight because he didn't have to take as many peds to fight a welterweight compared to middleweights.

                  The first fight where he had to take 24/7 testing was against Jacobs, which was noncoincidentally the fight where he got a gift decision since he didn't have precious peds to help him.
                  Nothing else to see here folks.

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                  • #10
                    Jubei is ducking his own thread.

                    Team GGG doesn't even believe in testing more than a month. They're just doing it because they're being forced by the WBC.

                    http://www.thesweetscience.com/featu...g-vada-testing
                    I have a comment on some criticism from you and others regarding the VADA testing," Sanchez told me. "First, understand that we, teams Golovkin and Lemieux, were under no obligation to test. There is a substantial cost for tests, but Triple G requested that and understood the costs. I want to point out, fighters get criticized for not taking it, and now we are being criticized for only giving it one month. If a fighter is dirty, it will only take one sample to prove it, they take blood randomly. Why is it there can't be at least an 'attaboy!' for agreeing to take it?
                    Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 03-24-2017, 12:53 AM.

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