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Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View PostOne of the articles of impeachment is obstruction of justice, which is a crime itself. People get charged with it everyday for lying or withholding information when the police are investigating a crime. Trump himself said they can't charge him with a crime because he has the evidence and he's withholding it
They are withholding 70 documents and blocking 12 witnesses from testifying.
— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) January 23, 2020
But theyre not covering up anything. Nah. 🙄
Oh, wait. Heres a video of Trump bragging about withholding material/evidence. You cant make this **** up. pic.twitter.com/E83XfrW6QS
That has always been the standard, at least according to Lindsey Graham
Nadler plays a clip of Sen. Lindsey Graham arguing during Bill Clinton's impeachment proceedings that impeachment does not require a crime https://t.co/Av2C7OBnt7 pic.twitter.com/cYheKvyvbU
— CBS News (@CBSNews) January 23, 2020
So the proper channels failed in your opinion. The proper channels aren't perfect and fail everyday. So your remedy for that is what? For the President to go around the Constitution and co equal branch of government to create his own shadow government?
Obstruction of Congress
Nadler and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained on Tuesday that the second article arose after the impeachment inquiry had already begun.
"When the president got caught, he committed his second impeachable act: obstruction of Congress of the very ability to make sure that no one is above the law, not even the President of the United States," Schiff said.
The second article lists three specific instances in which President Trump defied the House during the impeachment inquiry. Two instances relate to the withholding of documents at the direction of the president despite a subpoena, and the third regards Mr. Trump's directive to "current and former Executive Branch officials" not to comply with committee subpoenas for testimony.
"In violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed - Donald J. Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its 'sole Power of Impeachment,'" reads the second article of impeachment.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-are-the-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-trump/
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Just stop lying to people, it's not a good look. Trump is not being accused of ANY crimes, there is no legal statute for "OBSTRUCTION of CONGRESS", you know what Trump is ACTUALLY being accused of by the House.
Trump's team proved today that the subpoenas weren't legal because they were issued from an inquiry that began without a proper House vote first. They showed Constitutional legal precedent to back their stance as well. I don't watch crap like CNN, those kiddie lies won't work, step your game up.
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Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View PostThey cant have the same injury.
You know why?
Because they didnt get hurt the same way.
I can say I have a sprained ankle. Doesnt mean I have the same kind of sprained ankle as the next guy.
There was no wounded soldiers.
They got concussion sitting in a bunker.
Probably loud down there and it shook a little bit when the missiles hit the ground.
These guys are not getting purple hearts for bumping their heads or popping their inner ear.
Concussion is concussion, stop using the old tRump/Giuliani “a crime is not a crime” BS deflection tactic, fool. LMFAO!!!!
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Why is anyone even arguing over this trial in this thread, Democrat or Republican, Trump supporter or Trump hater? The conclusion is already forgone, Trump is getting acquitted, and thats the end of that. Arguing whether he obstructed this or that is completely irrelevant. A. NO ONE cares and B. It's not convincing any Republican so again he will get off scott free. Stop wasting time on the hopeless, you should focus on 2020.
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Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View PostOk so in your opinion the proper channels failed. So are you saying that because you feel they failed, Trump should be able to set up his own private shadow government investigation?
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Originally posted by mathed View Post
Obstruction of Congress
Nadler and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained on Tuesday that the second article arose after the impeachment inquiry had already begun.
"When the president got caught, he committed his second impeachable act: obstruction of Congress of the very ability to make sure that no one is above the law, not even the President of the United States," Schiff said.
The second article lists three specific instances in which President Trump defied the House during the impeachment inquiry. Two instances relate to the withholding of documents at the direction of the president despite a subpoena, and the third regards Mr. Trump's directive to "current and former Executive Branch officials" not to comply with committee subpoenas for testimony.
"In violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed - Donald J. Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its 'sole Power of Impeachment,'" reads the second article of impeachment.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-are-the-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-trump/
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Just stop lying to people, it's not a good look. Trump is not being accused of ANY crimes, there is no legal statute for "OBSTRUCTION of CONGRESS", you know what Trump is ACTUALLY being accused of by the House.
Trump's team proved today that the subpoenas weren't legal because they were issued from an inquiry that began without a proper House vote first. They showed Constitutional legal precedent to back their stance as well. I don't watch crap like CNN, those kiddie lies won't work, step your game up.
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Originally posted by JimRaynor View PostWhy is anyone even arguing over this trial in this thread, Democrat or Republican, Trump supporter or Trump hater? The conclusion is already forgone, Trump is getting acquitted, and thats the end of that. Arguing whether he obstructed this or that is completely irrelevant. A. NO ONE cares and B. It's not convincing any Republican so again he will get off scott free. Stop wasting time on the hopeless, you should focus on 2020.
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Originally posted by Impeacher View PostConcussion is concussion, stop using the old tRump/Giuliani “a crime is not a crime” BS deflection tactic, fool. LMFAO!!!!
Not all concussions are the same.
We'll probably see worst ones during the super bowl than the ones these guys got.
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