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Old 05-06-2016, 04:27 PM #141
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Canelo should do just that and fight GGG
Canelo's fighting at 155, until he and his camp feel a move to 160 is best for him.

if that's piss in your corn flakes, so be it.
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Old 05-06-2016, 04:35 PM #142
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Golovkin will gladly take the belt unless the WBC mandates a fight between 2 MW's for it. But whats even better, surrending the belt will show to a TEE that Canelo is afraid of fighting GGG and believe me when I tell you, that will get plenty of backlash from the hardcore mexican boxing fans.

If GGG didnt exist that Caneloweight (155lbs) wouldnt either.
^^^lol

If Golovkin didn't exist, what would be the pull for Alvarez to even go to middleweight?

Canelo, after the Floyd fight, was chasing Miguel Cotto; regardless of what the belts were doing, if Cotto was at a weight, Canelo would also be at that weight. When has Canelo ever called out, or pondered fighting, any actual middleweight fighter?

12 fights since moving to junior middleweight, Alvarez has stuck with targeting other junior middleweights (sans Floyd, Josesito Lopez, and Khan, who were welters that came up); that is unlikely to change, whether Golovkin existed or didn't.
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Old 05-06-2016, 04:41 PM #143
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Arguably Martin Murray. Just like Lara was robbed in a title fight. Only twice.
Martin Murray (weight difference now makes that unrealistic) vs Erislandy Lara at 160, from a purely boxing geek perspective, would've been an interesting fight to watch.

With Murray not having gigantic punching power, I'm not sure if he'd be able to hit Lara hard enough and with enough variety to get Lara to set his feet; Lara's slick boxing carries the fight.
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Old 05-06-2016, 04:45 PM #144
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Maybe apples shall be compared to apples? In Alvarez's PPV debut he was an opponent for Floyd. In Manny's PPV debut he was an opponent for Barrera. You're comparing these numbers with GGG debut, where he was "A-side" against little known Lemieux...
Pacquiao didn't have the three years of hype on HBO heading into his PPV debut (Alvarez basically came to the US as a big deal, and he's been involved in televised support capacity for enough PPVs to make the argument less clear to make); Golovkin did.

Lemieux definitely didn't help things, but to act as if Golovkin didn't have any advantages to help offset the advantages that Pacquiao had in his debut is a bit much.

Maybe not both Red Deliciouses(sp), but the apples are similar enough.
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Old 05-06-2016, 05:21 PM #145
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Martin Murray (weight difference now makes that unrealistic) vs Erislandy Lara at 160, from a purely boxing geek perspective, would've been an interesting fight to watch.

With Murray not having gigantic punching power, I'm not sure if he'd be able to hit Lara hard enough and with enough variety to get Lara to set his feet; Lara's slick boxing carries the fight.
Trivial wisdom is that boxing has three pure archetypes: KO puncher, boxer-mover and pressure swarmer. And they are like rock-paper-scissors.
Mover outpoints KO puncher, puncher KOs pressure swarmer, because he is not hard to find, swarmer wears down the mover. Of course real fighters are always combinations of these archetypes in various proportions. IMO Murray is closer to the pressure fighter, while Lara - to boxer-mover. Therefore stylistically he is at disadvantage against Murray. He may not hit Lara harder and with variety of say GGG. But he will throw more than Lara. And I think he will outpoint Lara.
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Old 05-06-2016, 05:33 PM #146
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^^^lol

If Golovkin didn't exist, what would be the pull for Alvarez to even go to middleweight?

Canelo, after the Floyd fight, was chasing Miguel Cotto; regardless of what the belts were doing, if Cotto was at a weight, Canelo would also be at that weight. When has Canelo ever called out, or pondered fighting, any actual middleweight fighter?

12 fights since moving to junior middleweight, Alvarez has stuck with targeting other junior middleweights (sans Floyd, Josesito Lopez, and Khan, who were welters that came up); that is unlikely to change, whether Golovkin existed or didn't.
Newsflash: Canelo has been fighting as a middleweight for 3 years
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