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Rewatched Mikey vs Lipinets and scored it a Draw + Spence vs Mikey Breakdown
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Originally posted by .!WAR MIKEY! View PostOnly one person I seen ever come up with an alternative that was legit, he name was Obama he was a admin on Sweetboxing.com I dont remember it anymore but I remember thinking that it was legit and I would support it, it wasnt a 10 point must system anymore but it was pased of 10 points being the max.
Im not knocking OP but its not really a great way to score fights. Also his motives can be suspect (not saying they are) but can be, he did not take into account, ring generalship, effective aggressive etc, he basically said who compubox said threw the most power punches won, just did it in a long thought out fancy way.
Paradoxically Must manages (as currently used) to be both to simple and too complex. In attempting to codify the exact scoring of say a KD regardless of whether it's of the 'slightly off balance / slip' variety or the 'Bambi on ice / stanky leg' variety and equally just giving a 1 point edge to the round winner whether it's a domination or the narrowest edge it very often fails to capture the action in the ring. Better to either just take a binary system (1/0 for the winner / loser taking into account the effects of any KDs) or to have a nuanced points system like 1 - 5 to each fighter depending on how they did or how dominant they were, with KDs either scoring extra or included and scored on discretion.
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Originally posted by Koba-Grozny View PostYeah - now that is a worthy discussion - again not saying the TSs system is good or bad, but MUST seems to me to be hopelessly anachronistic and lacking in nuance... at the very least there should be more willingness to use scores other than the basic 10 - 9 and 1 per KD regardless of the exact circumstance.
Paradoxically Must manages (as currently used) to be both to simple and too complex. In attempting to codify the exact scoring of say a KD regardless of whether it's of the 'slightly off balance / slip' variety or the 'Bambi on ice / stanky leg' variety and equally just giving a 1 point edge to the round winner whether it's a domination or the narrowest edge it very often fails to capture the action in the ring. Better to either just take a binary system (1/0 for the winner / loser taking into account the effects of any KDs) or to have a nuanced points system like 1 - 5 to each fighter depending on how they did or how dominant they were, with KDs either scoring extra or included and scored on discretion.
take for instance if we assign different values for different severity of KD's, now that opens up the can of worms to a larger degree than just the 1 point, because now theirs MORE room for subjectivity. Take for instance OP statements (see below) imagine if that was a KD we was talking about, now imagine some crooked judges or incompetent judges can always use that excuse to take away more points from a fighter and put him way behind the fight. "its wasnt a flash knocked down, he was really hurt it was VERY SUBTLE BUT I COULD NOTICE IT"
I honestly think the system we have now is the best it can get without reaping more negative effects than positive. (the point of diminishing returns if you will)
Originally posted by jas View Post- Mikey showed he was affected by body shots from Lipinets. Very subtle but i could notice it
-Last edited by .!WAR MIKEY!.; 03-16-2019, 10:38 AM.
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Originally posted by .!WAR MIKEY! View Postyup the problem with boxing is that its so subjective.
take for instance if we assign different values for different severity of KD's, now that opens up the can of worms to a larger degree than just the 1 point, because now theirs MORE room for subjectivity. Take for instance OP statements (see below) imagine if that was a KD we was talking about, now imagine some crooked judges or incompetent judges can always use that excuse to take away more points from a fighter and put him way behind the fight. "its wasnt a flash knocked down, he was really hurt it was VERY SUBTLE BUT I COULD NOTICE IT"
I honestly think the system we have now is the best it can get without reaping more negative effects than positive. (the point of diminishing returns if you will)
Anyways, food for thought either way - it's really pie-in-the-sky stuff the cos I can't see any major changes coming any time soon -especially in a sport as tradition-bound as boxing, but it never hurts to throw out a few ideas.
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