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Old 01-30-2018, 07:26 AM #21
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Funny you say the 168 Super Six was "hardly murderer's row" when at the time it was considered that.

I'd imagine in 10 years time they will say the same thing about this Crusierweight one.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:29 AM #22
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Usyk was a big favourite and struggled. His fans try to spin it as a great victory.
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98% of people in the Pick Em picked Usyk to win.

Both Usyk and Loma also had 6 pro fights in the WSB. They were paid and fought under pro rules. Not counting them is absurd.

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Old 01-30-2018, 12:12 PM #23
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You can do the research. Even among highly experienced amateur boxers, Lomachenko's accomplishments in the pros in just 10 bouts is unique and unprecedented.

There have been many other amateurs with 300+ bouts who needed far more time before stepping up to the highest level of competition in their weight division than Lomachenko did. Golovkin being one example. I'll try and find examples of a few more boxers.
Like I said, the one's I mentioned didn't have close to 300 fights or as many amateur tournaments as Lomachenko.

GGG may be the closest to him but you have to remember, he started boxing in Kazakhstan, with a less powerful promoter and no major networks backing him. It obviously would take time for him to build up as a pro.

Loma was brought in as boxing's golden boy, however, like I said, it doesn't negate from his achievements, but to claim "There have been many other amateurs with 300+ bouts who needed far more time before stepping up to the highest level of competition" is not accurate.

I'm open to being told about such amateurs turned pro though.
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Old 01-30-2018, 12:30 PM #24
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What usyk and lomachenko have done is unheard of. In 13 fights usyk has breidis and glowacki on his cv whilst Lomachenko has Russell,rigondeaux , Walters on his record. If usyk wins the tournament then he's a top 5 p4p fighter at the very least (when you consider ward was top 3 minimum for winning the 168 tournament which lets face it was hardly murderers row). In fact theres a case to be made that hes not far from there already, whilst Lomachenko is p4p number 1 in even less fights.Although these fighters attract a lot of hate and are detested by many, I think they have been great for the sport, no ****ing around waiting for almost 40 fights before choosing to challenge themselves. Let's hope this paves the way for other fighters to choose the 'fast track'route and risk a loss rather than play it safe and protect the '0' at all cost. This could be an exciting new era in boxing...
When you turn pro at 25 and 26 after very long amateur careers, you obviously are not going to spend much time in the developmental stage like the guys that turn pro between the ages of 17-22.

Truly great fighters-for example Floyd and Roy-accomplish so much more before the ages of 25/26. At 24, Roy had defeated Bernard Hopkins. Floyd was the lineal champ in 2 divisions by age 25.

While both Loma and Usyk are tremendous fighters. I think its fair to say some accomplishments are not such a big deal when you turn pro at such a relatively old age with so much experience.
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