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Old 02-09-2020, 12:14 AM #151
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I'm not arguing for Haymon although that's the narrative you want to push. I've asked you to provide names of fighters/examples to back up your claims of manipulating, ruining boxing, and fighters getting held back from better deals and opportunities. You have yet to do so and have admitted you have no list of fighters.

If you throw out accusations without backing it up they are baseless claims.
That’s gonna be an uphill battle, arguing that. Because literally every single fighter that was or is under Haymon has nothing but praise for him.

If some fan is making stuff up about Haymon you can’t really argue against fantasy. They made their mind up about him with no proof. You catch literally any Haymon fighter in the street and ask him how’s it like working with Haymon, they’d probably say it’s great.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:24 AM #152
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You clearly have a low IQ
The irony in that, you spend your time asking for evidence. When it’s staring you in the face. When more educated posters who actually support Haymon are sending me green K and acknowledging his part in manipulating these uneducated boxers, you spend your time defending this man like he is your father, you spend your time asking for “Evidence” when everyone actually figured it out themselves, I cannot help you with that dumbo. You have to sit down and figure it out yourself, but the fact that you can’t show are stupid you are, like I said you are too stupid to insult. Nothing changes the fact that Haymon your god has been manipulating and denying these boxers a better payday for the benefit of his own business model/deals. Thus preventing the fans from seeing great/better fights and the boxers better paydays. Sorry that I called out your god but am here for the boxers, not the promoters..
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:34 AM #153
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What 'evidence' do people want?

The manipulated fighters to come out and say 'I'm being manipulated' or Haymon the manipulator to come out and say 'I manipulate these guys'?

In last year alone PBC's biggest stars, Wilder and Charlo have declined career highest purses against the guys they claim the want to fight and proceeded to fight lesser fighters for less money? Their justification? 'I'm betting on myself'
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Spence thinks he's some big A side vs Crawford.

Nobody will outright say I'm being manipulated or I'm manipulating but we the fans can come to our own conclusions when the fighters who spent years claiming they want to do this and fight that guy get cold feet and refuse to do what they claimed they wanted to do and fight who they claimed they wanted to fight when they're presented with real offers from said fighters for career's biggest paydays.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:56 AM #154
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Its great that all the PBC fan shills been coming out reminding us all that Oscar is a drug riddled cross dresser but whats the actual PBC saying about any of this?

Exactly. Shields came out with some real half assed bit of BS but mostly its crickets.
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Old 02-09-2020, 08:31 AM #155
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What 'evidence' do people want?

The manipulated fighters to come out and say 'I'm being manipulated' or Haymon the manipulator to come out and say 'I manipulate these guys'?

In last year alone PBC's biggest stars, Wilder and Charlo have declined career highest purses against the guys they claim the want to fight and proceeded to fight lesser fighters for less money? Their justification? 'I'm betting on myself'
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Spence thinks he's some big A side vs Crawford.

Nobody will outright say I'm being manipulated or I'm manipulating but we the fans can come to our own conclusions when the fighters who spent years claiming they want to do this and fight that guy get cold feet and refuse to do what they claimed they wanted to do and fight who they claimed they wanted to fight when they're presented with real offers from said fighters for career's biggest paydays.
Good point doe. It's not rocket science.

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Old 02-09-2020, 08:49 AM #156
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The game plan all got highlighted with Joshua's offer to Luis Ortiz. The PBC sabotaged that offer and then got Team Ortiz to lie about it. Unfortunately Eddie Hearn by that point had had enough of all the Bullsheet and as exposed their lies.

They first tried to claim there was no offer, then they claimed 10x his highest ever pay day was a lowball, then it turned out that they even lied about the amount of the offer, they also said Ortiz was actually away on holiday and that was a lie. And all at the same time they continued to throw mud at Joshua by claiming he was ducking the smoke and didnt want the fight.

That exposure by Hearn really highlights just how shady the PBC have been in recent times. There is no point telling us Oscar likes the drugs so cant be trusted when this is how the PBC are handling their business.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:30 AM #157
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Why is that ? A minority owner with many minority fighters and some very good non minority fighters (deveranchanko, Caleb plant). Other than being too dark and somewhat successful, what makes them such scum?
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:32 AM #158
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what a shock...the guys who promote and have their fights on DAZN are complaining about the pbc omg! breaking news! theyre both also claiming duck by the pbc! no way! you dont say!
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Lets be fair, virtually every promoter says the same thing regarding the PBC being the most difficult to deal with. I don't really understand how the die-hard fans of PBC can deny it - it isn't a case of the fighters being cowards - it is the people behind them trying to promote intelligently for their own gain, which as frustrating as it is, is what any of us would do if we were promoters.

I did used to think it was more of a blind cult than anything but seeing the recent drama with that barbershop conversations dude it seems like the PBC fans are actually aware of the goings on, but they defend it because it's their 'team'.

I don't really get this whole supporting of a stable thing, but whatever...
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:39 PM #160
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That’s gonna be an uphill battle, arguing that. Because literally every single fighter that was or is under Haymon has nothing but praise for him.

If some fan is making stuff up about Haymon you can’t really argue against fantasy. They made their mind up about him with no proof. You catch literally any Haymon fighter in the street and ask him how’s it like working with Haymon, they’d probably say it’s great.


That's it right there. They will take a quote from a rival promotional company from someone like I a Oscar Delahoya and run with it as if it's a fact. Without even knowing the details of any contacts with Haymon or the other side. They know absolutely nothing about the negotiations but want to pretend they are smarter and know more about the details than the actual teams involved when they have never even seen one contact or negotiated one.

They would rather believe all of these fighters are too dumb to think for themselves and go to Haymon just get ripped off. As if they see something the fighters and their teams don't see. That's comical to me.

They don't like Haymon and PBC and should leave it at that. Pretending they know the details of his contracts and offers is pure fantasy based on their personal feelings.
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