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Sergio Martinez : "I'm number 2 P4P behind Floyd, Pacquiao is not top 5"
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Originally posted by Bushbaby View PostWard
Dawson
B-hop
Floyd
Martinez
Marquez
Dawson
Vitali
Moreno
Donaire
Lara
Chavez
Trout
Mikey
And many more all beat him if they were the same size. The real meaning of pfp, not your little popularity contest.
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Originally posted by Even Money View Post......... at the exact same time pac turned 32 and is when most top level athetes performances usually decline
especially in as many wars as pac has been.
The fact that he just beat Bradley, An undefeated hungry in his prime world champion is in itself a great achievement.
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View PostBut you can't give Pac credit for a fight he lost. Thats the same as someone penalizing him for "beating" JMM. Shouldn't the official decision be a factor in determining this?
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Originally posted by SoggyLungs View Postwtf...so you think guys like mikey, trout,chavez jr, vitali and even chad dawson and current bhop would beat pac if they were the same size? i doubt that...126 pac would have demolished 126 garcia. probably the only guys on that list that i'd give a chance at beating pac are donaire (if at the same size), moreno(if at the same size), martinez (if at the same size), floyd and marquez...
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Originally posted by SoggyLungs View Postwell imo and in the opinion of others in boxing it should have been a win...so that win trumps anything sergio has done since paul williams. in fact i don't consider martinez's wins since paul williams to be any better than donaire's wins since montiel. i do agree that pac's performance against marquez should have put him down a bit in the rankings, but his performance against a young undefeated fighter like bradley should have brought him back up/redeemed himself imo.
But Bradley's age and record don't make him better than JMM. So if Manny fell because of the JMM fight, the bradley performance can't be enough to bring him back to the same level.
If we go by official results, I'd still favor manny over sergio.
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Seriously, with all the losing of fantasy fights and always losing when compared to Mayweather. Manny doesn't even get much respect from his peers.
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Originally posted by Even Money View PostYou can't be number 2 with Martinez's recent fight history.
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Originally posted by SoggyLungsisn't p4p lists all opinion based anyways..but I think pac's performance (and should have been a win) against a guy who wasn't just younger and undefeated but considered one of the best at 140 if not the best was enough to redeem himself. the pac vs marquez fight i thought was close like many other boxing journalists saw and so i don't think that fight hurt him alot, but it did take away some luster of course. that's just my opinion...
I'm just hpoing that even if we are just giving opinions, that those opinions are reached using some similar measurement.
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