Comments Thread For: JuanMa-Gamboa: Lessons in Marinating

[BigStomps]

name one !

again..... Arum has been doing that for DECADES lol

I'm sure you remember when Richard Schaeffer and Al Haymon were still at Golden Boy and they refused to do business with Top Rank...
They tried to buy Golden Boy promotions from Oscar for a hundred million dollars cause they wanted Oscar to go away cause they wanted to take over boxing and run every other promoter out of business...
If you've been following boxing long enough then you'd remember that!
So don't give me that bullshet that Al Haymon works with everyone.
He will when he wants too and when it's convenient for him just like every other promoter.
You really need to stop swinging off Al Haymon's nutts and stop acting like he's God cause he's really not!

[aboutfkntime]

I'm sure you remember when Richard Schaeffer and Al Haymon were still at Golden Boy and they refused to do business with Top Rank...
They tried to buy Golden Boy promotions from Oscar for a hundred million dollars cause they wanted Oscar to go away cause they wanted to take over boxing and run every other promoter out of business...
If you've been following boxing long enough then you'd remember that!
So don't give me that bullshet that Al Haymon works with everyone.
He will when he wants too and when it's convenient for him just like every other promoter.
You really need to stop swinging off Al Haymon's nutts and stop acting like he's God cause he's really not!

nope

I remember when Richard Schaeffer categorically refused to do business with Bob Arum

Arum faked a negotiation in mid-210 to secure a date and funding for the Margarito fight..... so Schaeffer wiped his hands of Arum

that had nothing whatsoever to do with Haymon


Bob Arum Called Out for Lying by Top Rank Insider.....

"Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellerbe are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...before-ellerbe



like I said, Arum has been doing this for DECADES !!

if you don't know what cloth Arum is cut from, then you haven't been following this sport for very long

[dibzvincent143]

there is only ONE reason why the negotiation died in 2010

Are you even hearing yourself?
YES 2010 but negotiations have been reopened multiple times for 6 years. And that issue you were talking about was already solved in 2010.

Seriously you’re against renegotiations now? LMAO! That’s how business works!

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/2...ees-to-undergo

After Floyd’s fight with Shane. and Pac’s fight with Clottey. (Just one fight after the first failed negotiation) Pac already agreed to all of Floyd’s demands. Specifically that 14 day cutoff you’re so repeatedly talking about!!

In comparison, Floyd and Mosley were last tested 18 days before match.

Now what you gonna say fanboyyy? “OH that’s just how A Side works or “OH negotiations are useless!”

Pac wanted a 24-day cutoff, Floyd would only agree to 14-days

Pac agreed to it one fight after. Imagined Wilder-Joshua not happening in april again (possibly), seriously they’d renegotiate again right??
Or you gonna say “no more!!! They already walked away in the first negotiation!!!l” LOL

that fact is WELL documented, so we don't need some silly fanboy running around trying to re-write history

I didn’t even say it’s not well documented. Lol

PAC AGREED TO THE TESTING IN 2010. Facts!!!

FLOYD changed his tune again!! Yet making another roadblock, a flat fee offer.

I’m just gonna return to you what you said.
If Floyd wants the fight so bad why didn’t he want it after Pacquiao agreed to his demands just a fight later??? Why did he changed his demands again??

If pac doesn’t want it why he send Koncz to floyd’s camp to continue to renegotiate??
You are yet to answer that.
That’s not rewriting history, those happened.

If Pac doesn’t want it, why did Floyd say “pacquiao’s so desperate to fight me”???
You are yet to answer that. And I’ve sent you links as well.

You on the otherhand doesn’t try to rewrite history but too blindsided by a huge part of it. And continue to duck facts that are not on your agenda list.

Pac’s excuses all came from Arum’s mouth. Seriously look it up. Proving my point that Arum never wanted it.
Floyd’s excuses came from his mouth himself.

It’s okay to admit they both have faults why the negotiations failed. But that’s too hard for a FANBOY LIKE YOU!!!! FANBOOOOYYYY!!!
It’s okayy to admit you are just a FANBOY AS WELL!!! So that no one will ever discuss with you stuffs like these.

nope

Floyd's style/skill-set gave him a great advantage, PERIOD..... like knowledgeable observers stated for YEARS

we saw what happened when Pac got in there with a defensive counter-puncher like Marquez..... and Mayweather is much bigger and much better than Marquez

your two points..... that there were other reasons why that negotiation failed, and that Pac was old doe..... are just excuses

So Pacquiao was still prime at 36? Name me one offensive fighter who’s better at 36 than they were at 28-32??

So pacquiao’s style ages well as floyd’s???
Answer that you dummy fanboy!!

[aboutfkntime]

Are you even hearing yourself?
YES 2010 but negotiations have been reopened multiple times for 6 years. And that issue you were talking about was already solved in 2010.

Seriously you’re against renegotiations now? LMAO! That’s how business works!

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/2...ees-to-undergo

After Floyd’s fight with Shane. and Pac’s fight with Clottey. (Just one fight after the first failed negotiation) Pac already agreed to all of Floyd’s demands. Specifically that 14 day cutoff you’re so repeatedly talking about!!

In comparison, Floyd and Mosley were last tested 18 days before match.

Now what you gonna say fanboyyy? “OH that’s just how A Side works or “OH negotiations are useless!”



Pac agreed to it one fight after. Imagined Wilder-Joshua not happening in april again (possibly), seriously they’d renegotiate again right??
Or you gonna say “no more!!! They already walked away in the first negotiation!!!l” LOL



I didn’t even say it’s not well documented. Lol

PAC AGREED TO THE TESTING IN 2010. Facts!!!

FLOYD changed his tune again!! Yet making another roadblock, a flat fee offer.

I’m just gonna return to you what you said.
If Floyd wants the fight so bad why didn’t he want it after Pacquiao agreed to his demands just a fight later??? Why did he changed his demands again??

If pac doesn’t want it why he send Koncz to floyd’s camp to continue to renegotiate??
You are yet to answer that.
That’s not rewriting history, those happened.

If Pac doesn’t want it, why did Floyd say “pacquiao’s so desperate to fight me”???
You are yet to answer that. And I’ve sent you links as well.

You on the otherhand doesn’t try to rewrite history but too blindsided by a huge part of it. And continue to duck facts that are not on your agenda list.

Pac’s excuses all came from Arum’s mouth. Seriously look it up. Proving my point that Arum never wanted it.
Floyd’s excuses came from his mouth himself.

It’s okay to admit they both have faults why the negotiations failed. But that’s too hard for a FANBOY LIKE YOU!!!! FANBOOOOYYYY!!!
It’s okayy to admit you are just a FANBOY AS WELL!!! So that no one will ever discuss with you stuffs like these.



So Pacquiao was still prime at 36? Name me one offensive fighter who’s better at 36 than they were at 28-32??

So pacquiao’s style ages well as floyd’s???
Answer that you dummy fanboy!!

not once were negotiations re-opened

the only discussion that could rightly be regarded as a "negotiation"..... was held between Pacquiao and Floyd at a basketball game

there is only ONE reason why the negotiation died in 2010

when Pac finally agreed to testing, we got the fight

[BigStomps]

nope

I remember when Richard Schaeffer categorically refused to do business with Bob Arum

Arum faked a negotiation in mid-210 to secure a date and funding for the Margarito fight..... so Schaeffer wiped his hands of Arum

that had nothing whatsoever to do with Haymon


Bob Arum Called Out for Lying by Top Rank Insider.....

"Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellerbe are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...before-ellerbe



like I said, Arum has been doing this for DECADES !!

if you don't know what cloth Arum is cut from, then you haven't been following this sport for very long

Shut the fucc up you lying biitch!
Fucc you, Al Haymon, and Bob Arum!
Don't bother replying punk!

[aboutfkntime]

Shut the fucc up you lying biitch!
Fucc you, Al Haymon, and Bob Arum!
Don't bother replying punk!

[BigStomps]

You punk ass child molester!

[aboutfkntime]

You punk ass child molester!

loooool

[Combat Talk Radio]

The problem is that vulnerable fighters eventually get exposed, and they end up losing to big underdogs.

Exactly. Just like when Manny lost to Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn.

[dibzvincent143]

not once were negotiations re-opened

the only discussion that could rightly be regarded as a "negotiation"..... was held between Pacquiao and Floyd at a basketball game

there is only ONE reason why the negotiation died in 2010

when Pac finally agreed to testing, we got the fight

LOOOOL keep convincing yourself that fanboy!