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Originally posted by Simurgh View PostPlease do.
Include the whole resumes. I think Lewis resume is better but only just. I see it much closer than most of people that's why I am interested to hear about this.
Briggs
Holyfield
V. Klitschko
Rahman
Ruddock
Mercer
Golota
Morrison
Bruno
McCall
Tua
Tucker
Tyson
Mavrovic
Botha
Sure some are past prime but there are some very solid wins on there that trump Wlads. not only did he fight better opposition he lost less and avenged his only 2 defeats with stoppage victorys something Wlad never managed to do. I really don't see how you can make a case for Wlads resume being particularly close.Last edited by -Lowkey-; 10-04-2012, 03:34 PM.
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Originally posted by -Lowkey- View PostNo particular order.
Briggs
Holyfield
V. Klitschko
Rahman
Ruddock
Mercer
Golota
Morrison
Bruno
McCall
Tua
Tucker
Tyson
Mavrovic
Botha
Sure some are past prime but there are some very solid wins on there that trump Wlads. not only did he fight better opposition he lost less and avenged his only 2 defeats with stoppage victorys something Wlad never managed to do. I really don't see how you can make a case for Wlads resume being particularly close.
Lewis lost 2 times and 1 draw, Wlad lost 3 times. Lewis has 41wins (32 KO, 72% KO), Wlad has 58 wins (51KO, 83% KO). So not going in details at the moment, looking just the numbers, at very worst (for Wlad) they are equal - but actually it looks better for Wlad (yes Lewis opposition is better).
I chose 10 notable Lennox's and Wlad's wins (arguably 10 best wins).
In squares there is the record of the opponent when they fought with the age of the fighter (this could be some indication how far from the prime opponent was - not too accurate). I gave a mark for every fight. I took into account the time when they fought, how fight ended and the quality of the opponent at that time.
Lennox :
Holyfiled (36-3-1, 37) - UD 8-4 --> 9
Golota (28-2 , 29) - KO2 --> 9
Bruno (36-3, 32) - TKO7 --> 7
Vitali (32-1 ,32) - TKO6 --> 7
Rahman (35-2, 29) - KO4 --> 7
Briggs (30-1 , 27) - TKO5 --> 7
Tua (37-1, 28) - UD 10-2 --> 8
Morrison (45-2-1, 26) - TKO6 --> 7
Tyson (49-3-2, 36) - KO8 --> 7
Rudock (27-3-1, 31) - TKO2 --> 7
Wlad :
Haye (25-1, 29) UD 7-3 --> 8
Byrd (39-2-1, 30 and 36) - UD and TKO7 --> 7
Peter (24 - 0, 25) UD --> 7
Brewster (30 -2 ,31) TKO6 --> 7
Ibragimov (22-0-1, 32) UD 10-2 --> 7
Botha (44-3-1, 33) TKO8 --> 7
Chambers (35 - 1, 28) KO12 --> 7
Thomson (31-1, 37) KO11 --> 7
Chagaev (25-0-1, 30) TKO9 --> 7
Brock (29-0,31) TKO7 --> 7
Lennox 75, Wlad 71
Wlad is still active. I think he has a decent chance to be on pair (or even pass) Lennox resume in 3-4 years time.Last edited by Simurgh; 10-04-2012, 04:15 PM.
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostWe can see what you base your opinions on.
I noticed your list of favorite fighters all had something in common.
You need to learn to evaluate boxers more objectively.
Your statement that his only wins of note are his two wins against Floyd Patterson are absurd and frankly, out an out false.
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Originally posted by Simurgh View PostI'll give it a go. Of course I don't say I have to be right, but this is just how I see it.
Lewis lost 2 times and 1 draw, Wlad lost 3 times. Lewis has 41wins (32 KO, 72% KO), Wlad has 58 wins (51KO, 83% KO). So not going in details at the moment, looking just the numbers, at very worst (for Wlad) they are equal - but actually it looks better for Wlad (yes Lewis opposition is better).
I chose 10 notable Lennox's and Wlad's wins (arguably 10 best wins).
In squares there is the record of the opponent when they fought with the age of the fighter (this could be some indication how far from the prime opponent was - not too accurate). I gave a mark for every fight. I took into account the time when they fought, how fight ended and the quality of the opponent at that time.
Lennox :
Holyfiled (36-3-1, 37) - UD 8-4 --> 9
Golota (28-2 , 29) - KO2 --> 9
Bruno (36-3, 32) - TKO7 --> 7
Vitali (32-1 ,32) - TKO6 --> 7
Rahman (35-2, 29) - KO4 --> 7
Briggs (30-1 , 27) - TKO5 --> 7
Tua (37-1, 28) - UD 10-2 --> 8
Morrison (45-2-1, 26) - TKO6 --> 7
Tyson (49-3-2, 36) - KO8 --> 7
Rudock (27-3-1, 31) - TKO2 --> 7
Wlad :
Haye (25-1, 29) UD 7-3 --> 8
Byrd (39-2-1, 30 and 36) - UD and TKO7 --> 7
Peter (24 - 0, 25) UD --> 7
Brewster (30 -2 ,31) TKO6 --> 7
Ibragimov (22-0-1, 32) UD 10-2 --> 7
Botha (44-3-1, 33) TKO8 --> 7
Chambers (35 - 1, 28) KO12 --> 7
Thomson (31-1, 37) KO11 --> 7
Chagaev (25-0-1, 30) TKO9 --> 7
Brock (29-0,31) TKO7 --> 7
Lennox 75, Wlad 71
Wlad is still active. I think he has a decent chance to be on pair (or even pass) Lennox resume in 3-4 years time.
Lewis win over Ruddock, where he was expected to lose by a long list of people, and ended up destroying him is a lot better than his win over Mike Tyson's corpse.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostIntrested to see your reasoning on having Lewis win over Tyson and his win over Razor Ruddock as the same score.
Lewis win over Ruddock, where he was expected to lose by a long list of people, and ended up destroying him is a lot better than his win over Mike Tyson's corpse.
I do agree win over Rudock is better one.
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Originally posted by Simurgh View PostI said I might be wrong in some aspects - but I am interested in the general picture. Although I don't give Lennox too much credit for beating that version of Tyson - people do see it as the one of the biggest Lennox's wins. Also I think Lennox himself regards that as one of the biggest.
I do agree win over Rudock is better one.
I think the following fighters are better heavyweights than Haye and Byrd when Lennox fought them.
Ruddock, Briggs, Bruno, Holyfield, Tyson, Tua, Golota, Mercer
You could arguably put another few names on that list.
What do you honestly think Lewis would have done with Haye? He would have completely demolished him, it would not have lasted 6 rounds. Wlad-Haye was semi competitive, and Haye won rounds, Wlad only landed a handful of meaningful punches.
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To the TS
Lewis
Liston
Tyson
Wlad
Vitali
Tyson and Wlad are quite close but Tyson's wins over Spinks and Bruno are better than Wlads over Haye and Byrd. Plus his wins over Ruddock are probably the best of the rest. Other than that it is pretty nip and tuck
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostWe can see what you base your opinions on.
I noticed your list of favorite fighters all had something in common.
You need to learn to evaluate boxers more objectively.
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