Duncan, Lebron or Kobe

[Cutthroat]

Kobe fans are delusional, this video the perfect example, they claim that Kobe "locked down" Westbrook, but the reality is it was Bynum-Gasol in the paint, it's truly ridiculous.




You can see from this video Bynum clogging the paint, forcing not only Westbrook, but the entire Thunder offense into low % jumpers. This is what I'm talking about right here. Kobe gets all the credit while Bynum is just seen as some "role player". The plays WB doesn't drive is because he knows Bynum will simply clog the paint. Same for Gasol, it's almost impossible to drive with all that length in the paint.

[lebrick]

no one wins anything without a star.

and you don't win 5 without a coach.

if pop coached the lakers kobe would have more rings.

you are drunk.. go to sleep now..

[4Corners]

Kobe played with GP, Malone, Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Shaq, Gasol, Odom, Nash, Dwight all throughout his title runs. Compare them to Spurs core of Duncan, Manu & Parker and role players not better than i mentioned above

You seriously going to say Horace Grant at that point or Glen Rice were the reasons those team won??? He didn't win anything with Steve Nash or Dwight Howard, and made the finals with Payton and Maloen though they were old. Half those players you listed were guys he played with for one year. The core of the three peat Lakers were Kobe and Shaq, the core of the back to back titles were Kobe-Gasol-Bynum.

Duncan consistently played on more good teams than Kobe did, that's a fact. Duncan never played on teams like the ones Kobe had from 2004/2005-2005/2007.

You mention those guys but refuse to mention Kawhi Leonard, Bruce Bowen, and others from the Spurs teams. The core of the first couple titles for Duncan were Duncan-Robinson, and the 2nd one had Parker. The core of the next two were Duncan-Parker-Ginobli. The core of the last one was Duncan-Parker-Leonard-Ginobli.

[4Corners]

2003 lakers didn't get upset by minny.

they lost to san antonio, who went on to win title.

1999-2003

NBA CHAMPIONSHIP was when lakers-spurs met.

You right. For some damn reason I kept remembering Minnesota upsetting someone early in those days

Ahhhh it was the Kings in 2004. I forgot about that.

So yeah then Kobe only really had one team that were title contenders that flamed out early in the playoffs, the 2011 year against Dallas, who also wound up winning the title.

Compare that to the 2000, 2006, 2009, 2011, and 2015 Spurs teams that all got bounced early when they had title aspirations.

[Cutthroat]

Duncan consistently played on more good teams than Kobe did, that's a fact. Duncan never played on teams like the ones Kobe had from 2004/2005-2005/2007.

You mention those guys but refuse to mention Kawhi Leonard, Bruce Bowen, and others from the Spurs teams. The core of the first couple titles for Duncan were Duncan-Robinson, and the 2nd one had Parker. The core of the next two were Duncan-Parker-Ginobli. The core of the last one was Duncan-Parker-Leonard-Ginobli.

Duncan has made all of his teammates better, that's why his teams appear good. There is no Parker or Bowen without Duncan. Duncan is the reason why you could plug in almost any guy and they'd suddenly revive their careers. He was the Spurs' system for over a decade.

By the time TD started playing with D-Rob he was at the end of his career, over the last 5 years with Duncan he averaged 13.7 ppg.

Duncan's '03 title team featured Parker as his 2nd option, putting up 14ppg on 40% shooting, 4 apg, most of which all came from Duncan himself lol. Robinson was averaging 8ppg that year, and Duncan still managed to carry the Spurs. That '03 team was just as bad as Kobe's worst teams.


Bigs like Gasol and Bynum will always have more of an impact on a game than guards like Parker-Manu, which is why Duncan>Kobe. Duncan has been the defensive anchor for years and years, Kobe can only guard 1 guy, Duncan could shut down entire offenses. The amount of points he negates compared to Kobe isn't comparable. Defense is 50% of the game.

[DARKSEID]

Closest thing that I can remember to a guy winning a title all by himself. That Heat team is easily the worst team to win a title that I've ever seen. That team just wasn't that good. Dallas really chocked that series away. They had old Shaq, Zo, GP, Posey, etc. I can't believe that Heat team won the title.

Amen

[4Corners]

Duncan has made all of his teammates better, that's why his teams appear good. There is no Parker or Bowen without Duncan. Duncan is the reason why you could plug in almost any guy and they'd suddenly revive their careers. He was the Spurs' system for over a decade.

By the time TD started playing with D-Rob he was at the end of his career, over the last 5 years with Duncan he averaged 13.7 ppg.

Duncan's '03 title team featured Parker as his 2nd option, putting up 14ppg on 40% shooting, 4 apg, most of which all came from Duncan himself lol. Robinson was averaging 8ppg that year, and Duncan still managed to carry the Spurs. That '03 team was just as bad as Kobe's worst teams.


Bigs like Gasol and Bynum will always have more of an impact on a game than guards like Parker-Manu, which is why Duncan>Kobe. Duncan has been the defensive anchor for years and years, Kobe can only guard 1 guy, Duncan could shut down entire offenses. The amount of points he negates compared to Kobe isn't comparable. Defense is 50% of the game.

Even though Robinson was older, he still had Tony Parker by this point dropping 15 a game and 5 dimes, Bruce Bowen playing lock down D as well as a solid Stephen Jackson. Wasn't as deep as the previous title team or the latter three were, but by no means as bad as Kobe's teams the 3 years after Shaq was traded. Kobe had ****ing Kwami Brown, Devon George to play with on his worst teams, or and Smush Parker. Lamar Odom was the best player aside from Kobe. Don't even compare the two.

Having an old David Robinson, young Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, and Stephen Jackson >>>>> Having Lamar Odom, Devon George, Kwami Brown, Smush Parker

SMFH

Robinson was still an All Star caliber player during their first title. The first three years he played with Robinson, he was still an All Star level player. The last couple he got old, but they got better with Parker coming in.

Lol and Kobe only being able to guard one player. Kobe has also been an All NBA defender just as many times as Duncan has, and because of the fact that Kobe is a guard, he can also create much more of his own offense than a big like Duncan. And by your logic, then any big man is greater than any guard cause they mean more on defense a lot of times......so I guess we should knock any great guards right, cause they aren't as impactful on D??? LOL

Instead of making the playoffs those years without Shaq, the Lakers win 10-15 games without Kobe, those teams sucked THAT bad.

Also, when did a Laker team with Kobe that were legit title contenders going into the playoffs ever flame out or lose early in the playoffs to inferior opposition???

They lost in 2003 to the eventual champion Spurs, that series was like the NBA Finals basically if we're being real, so I wouldn't count that losing to inferior opposition. Maybe you could count them getting swept in 2011 by Dallas, but they also went on to win the title. They lost in 1999 in the Conf Semi eventual champion Spurs, a better team at the time. 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010 Kobe and the Lakers always lived up to expectations as well and went deep into the playoffs.

Duncan had arguably 5 teams that flamed out early in the playoffs.

In 2000 they lost in the first round to Phoenix. In 2006 Dallas bounced them in the Conf Semi's. In 2009 Dallas bounced them in the first round. In 2011 Memphis bounced them in the first round. And this year they let the Clippers bounce them in the first round.

Also....FWIW....Kobe 4-2 against Duncan in the playoffs all time and 1 of those losses was in the 1999 playoffs before the Lakers really emerged a year later.

Kobe has been JUST AS IMPORTANT to the Lakers 5 titles and 2 other finals appearances as Duncan has been to the Spurs titles.

And you're still trying to act like Duncan hasn't played on more good teams when Kobe had three years with the Devon George's and Kwami Browns of the world, and still somehow made the playoffs.

Duncan walked into Pop and perennial All Star David Robinson, then got Tony Parker and Manu, along with Bowen for years, and then got Kawhi Leonard, and now has Lamarcus Aldridge, in addition to older versions of Parker and Manu. There was never anytime where the Spurs had a complete total lull around him like those 3 years the Lakers had after Shaq or the last few Laker years.

[onechance87]

duncan,Dude put the spurs on the map with his greatness.Still playing
like badazz till this day.Kobe hasint done shlt the last few years
beside be overpaid.

[4Corners]

duncan,Dude put the spurs on the map with his greatness.Still playing
like badazz till this day.Kobe hasint done shlt the last few years
beside be overpaid.

Duncan is still respectable and good, but he's still a shell of his prime self, but he's 37 or something. Difference is he has Leonard, Parker, Ginobli, Green, etc. And Kobe has been hurt the last couple years and played with Boozer, Lin, Hill, etc.

David Robinson put the Spurs on the map, Duncan made them great. For sure. Kobe helped make the Lakers great again too though.

[Joeyzagz]

What separates Great players like Duncan and Jordan from a good player like Kobe is Leadership .

Jordan was able to keep a crossdressing, bi polar Dennis Rodman in check for three years while Kobe cant even handle Dwight. Kobe is a cancer.