Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Drops Pedraza Twice, Wins Decision To Unify Titles

[Boxing Logic]

Because thats what happens when so much hype is generated for 1 fighter from early in their career. People like Atlas/Kellerman/Lampley etc. are actually hurting Lomas chances of becoming a mainstream star,when you build someone up as literally the next Ali without it justifiably being proven yet, then hold other fighters to different standards & more scrutiny at the same time it looks like clear bias regardless if it was based on a hunch of his that" Lomas the next Ali",& worse yet when "the next Ali" at times in his early career looks more like Saddam Ali than Muhammad Ali,then people will begin to talk sht,esp. when Arum puts up roadblocks to him vs the majors & continues using espn as an excuse.

Max and company were hyping up Andre Ward to the moon based on him beating a blown up middleweight Arthur Abraham at 168, a slow Carl Froch who had already been exposed in many ways by Dirrell, Taylor, Kessler, and was Pascal before Ward too? Anyway whether before or after, he was exposed as being very slow, with major defensive liabilities. Groves showed that too. Then there was Kessler, already exposed by Calzaghe and already declining. So Ward beat three orthodox, euro, slow, flat footed guys, all three of them previously beaten, and Ward did it a lot closer, a lot uglier, a lot less skilled, and with a lot less knockdownd, stoppages, and No Mas's, than Loma has vs similar or even better level of competition, throughout three times as many divisions as Ward beat those names in, and in only 12 now 13 pro fights.

So my question to you would be, why is it okay for Max to hype up American or Mexican stars who aren't even deserving based on what they've done, but it's not okay for Lomachenko to get hyped when he is breaking records and being one of the only boxers in the entire sport right now to fight prime top opponents regardless of style matchup and repeatedly win? Heck, Max Kellerman was comparing Tevin Farmer vs Ogawa, a fight he lost, to Pernell Whitaker, if memory serves. He makes comparisons like that all the time with American or Mexican stars that aren't even within the realm of even making sense. Yet them seeing how good Lomachenko was early on, and giving him credit for his skills which he quickly backed up by taking on and beating the top guys willing to fight him, which is what we're supposed to WANT champions to do within the sport, is what annoys you?

I don't really get it. Sugar Ray Leonard was hyped up like crazy too coming out of the Olympics and I think he only won one gold medal, if memory serves, not two like Loma. What is the difference? Leonard was hyped early due to his skill and amateur accomplishments, and then he proved the hype was real in the pros quite quickly. Loma was hyped early due to his skill and amateur accomplishments, and he's quickly proved the hype is real up until this point. Unfortunately for him, there is no Roberto Duran level star at featherweight right now who can move up to lightweight and fight Loma and give Loma the opportunity to create a star making moment off of like SRL was able to do vs Duran.

But, it is what it is. If there was a fighter out there just as good as Duran, but as much smaller than Loma as Duran was than SRL, would you really pick against Loma? Im not talking about vs a BIGGER pressure fighter like Salido who missed weight and had an 11 lbs weight advantage in the ring. Im talking about someone smaller than Loma. Im talking about someone Rigondeaux's size, or Marriaga's size, but with the style and skill of Duran. You know what picking in that fight? Im picking a No Mas for Loma just like SRL got vs Duran in their rematch!

So really, what's the difference? The best prospects, the best amateurs, NATURALLY get more hype coming into the pros than just the average boxer. It's the same in any sport. And statistically, the greatest amateur of all time, like Loma was, with an amateur record of 395 and 1 or something like that, as Loma has, is going to get even more hype than most prospects. It's just like how every top NBA prospect gets a lot of hype, but when Lebron James or Kevin Durant comes along in a draft, they get even more hype than that.

It's perfectly natural. I dont think Loma being hyped like SRL was is what really bothers people, I think what bothers people is the idea that there are boxers out there as promising as SRL but who are white. There are a lot of boxing fans at least online who really seem to dislike white people, for whatever reason. They have shown they will support even cheating, and even arrogant boxers who only talk about money and literally tell the fans they don't care what the fans want and they're just fighting for money and they're going to pick easy opponents to fight for low risk high reward and they dont care if you like it or if it's good for the sport, these fans will literally support boxers like that who destroy the sport and hate the fans just to see that boxer beat a white boxer or a boxer they believe has support from white fans or a white commentator on any sports network that exists. We've seen these fans turn boxingscene, for one, into a cesspit of biased and ridiculous double standards, so we know they're out there, and I think they are the real driving force behind these double-standard complaints over Loma being hyped, not anything else. Of course he's hyped, he went from double gold medalist in the amateurs, and best boxer in any weight class award at the Olympics, to a world title in his 3rd pro fight, to setting the records for fastest to 2nd and 3rd weight class world titles in the pros, to going on a very rare No Mas streak vs top guys (you're used to the idea now, but if someone had told you ahead of time that Loma would make BOTH Walters and Rigo quit, AND make Linares give in to the ref after a body shot KD because he didn't want to continue, you would have laughed in their face. How expectations have changed for Loma, huh? You guys raised the standards to impossible levels in order to try to discredit him, levels you never thought would be necessary before he made Walters and Rigo quit, but in reality, that just shows how good he is that you've had to raise them this high), to now unifying two lightweight titles in his first two fights at lightweight, with a shoulder surgery sandwiched in between.

I mean, what do you expect? He's not getting half as much hype for all that as he would be if he were American or Mexican, let'sj just be honest. So, please stop complaining about it, especially if you didn't complain when Tevin Farmer or hundreds of others of boxers who unlike Loma do NOT deserve such lofty comparisons as Pernell Whitaker were getting hyped up by HBO or Showtime.

[TheWinners]

Loma already fought a name. Rigo has one of the best names in boxing. One of the most avoided names. When you say Pac and Mikey, it sounds like what you really want is for him to fight a name who is also a way bigger boxer than he is. I mean, Linares and Pedraza were already much bigger, but he's still beating them so now we have to look at even bigger ones? Because if you care about him beating top guys his actual size, in fair fights, then Loma already proved that to you multiple times vs Gary Russell Jr (who is so good he beat JoJo Diaz Jr a top young fighter who is much bigger than GRJ!), Nicolas Walters, and the much bigger Linares. Linares, Rigo, GRJ, and Pedraza all have elite hand speed too, so Loma is not afraid to fight fast guys all the time. Contrast that to for example Floyd who would almost always cherry pick slower Mexican style opponents, heck same with Ward for that matter (Froch, Abraham, Kessler, Barrera, Brand, even past prime Kovalev, none of these are dynamic, explosive athletes, all of them are slower, orthodox, 'basic' or as Floyd would call them, no special effects type of fighters). Loma on the other hand is fighting all styles out there. GRJ, Linares, Rigo, Pedraza, these guys are ALL special effects. Handspeed, angles, footwork, each of these guys brings a lot of those elements if not the whole thing.

So, that should be respected. Promoters of other A-sides will figure out which style their guy looks best against, and then they will match him repeatedly vs only that style in order to make their guy look good and market him to casual fans better. Loma is one of the few whose hype is actually real to such an extent that the promoters or matchmakers dont even have to worry about what style they put him in with, because he can adjust to anything, even elite speed coming back at him, which is the single most difficult thing to deal with in a boxing ring, speed that is. Loma is the ONLY one in the entire sport CHOOSING to fight guys with elite hand speed REPEATEDLY. And when he's not doing that, he's fighting 11 lbs bigger southpaw destroyers like Salido in his 2nd pro fight, or KO punchers like Walters or even Sosa coming off the Fortuna TKO (and only because none of the champions would fight Loma), or Loma is calling out the much bigger #1 counterPUNCHER in the sport Mikey, or ANOTHER opponent with speed AND power AND size in Miguel Berchelt just like Linares.

No one else in the sport is doing that. If Loma was an American welterweight doing this, he would be the biggest thing since Sugar Ray Robinson. But because he's a Ukrainian featherweight who was basically forced to move up to 135 to get interesting opportunities for his legacy, he's not in as good a position as he would be. But if you know the context behind what you're looking at, then it's very impressive.

Quite a pathetic attempt to compare Loma to 2 all time greats who have both had multiple career defining fights. Loma is good, real real good. But come on man let's not try and elevate his career over 2 undefeated all time greats. It's not even worth talking about. He has a long way to go. Linares was a great win. Perhaps Mikey Garcia will be that career defining moment.

[Boxing Logic]

Destroyed A paper champion & yet again as in countless fights before a fighter who has been destroyed far worse

Loma has four top wins: GRJ, Walters, Rigo, and Linares. Three of them were undefeated when he beat them, only one had been "destroyed" before and it wasn't "far worse" seeing as Loma was the first one to ever stop Linares with a body shot despite being the smallest top opponent to ever face, let alone beat, let alone stop, let alone stop to the body, Jorge Linares.

So I'm trying to figure out which part of your statement is accurate, and it turns out, it's not even accurate to Linares, the only one I thought it might be accurate to when I read your statement, before I got around to thinking about it and responding. And it's definitely not accurate about Loma's other top 3 wins. So you will probably find yourself less upset in the future about Loma being overhyped by the biased media if you take the time to look up the facts of his career first and learn that he actually has earned his hype, and that if anything, the boxing media in the U.S. is extremely biased AGAINST foreign boxers, and in favor of American and Mexican stars. There are a handful who pretend to play it down the middle, and will be critical of American or Mexican boxers BETWEEN fights to keep credibility with WORLDWIDE boxing fans but then still try to hype them around their fights to help them and help their promoters, but for the most part, the media are very open about being biased. Look at Mike Coppinger who shilled for the PBC so long, they just hired him officially. That's a ring magazine writer who is now employed by PBC. You dont think thats a conflict of interest? Just like the promoter of the biggest Mexican star in boxing owns Ring magazine. Now THAT is bias or at least a major conflict of interest that inevitably leads to favorable coverage.

Have foreign fighters like Pacquiao, Kovalev, GGG, and Loma been hyped by HBO? I mean, they've been PUT on HBO, and then they put in spectacular performances, and HBO recognized those at the time. Pacquiao, Kovalev, and GGG were three of the most exciting offensive fighters who would go for the knockout during their primes. And they won almost every round too because they also had skill to go along with it. So yeah the commentators obviously praised that, rightfully so, when they were fighting top ten guys, but as soon as HBO was able to get their names well known enough to use them as PPV B-sides vs American or Mexican stars, HBO quickly turned on them and tried to use them as tools to build up the American or Mexican cash cow. These guys like Pacquiao, Kovalev, and GGG were all denied their legacy fights until they were old (Pacquiao with Floyd, Kovalev with Stevenson, GGG vs Canelo), and then if them being old STILL wasn't enough to get the American or Mexican cash cows past the finish line vs these guys, the corrupt refs and/or judges would come in to help, and the HBO commentators would be there to smooth over the con and tell the audience "nothing to see here, move along."

These commentators are hired guns. Propagandists. They hyped up the foreign guys when it was convenient, then they turned on them and used them as tools to build up the stars they really wanted the whole time, the Mexican and American stars. They hype up every A-side on their network, regardless of background, when they are facing B-sides, but only when two A-sides collided, whether Kovalev-Ward, Floyd-Pac, or GGG-Canelo, did we see where HBO's true loyalties were, and they were with the American and Mexican cash cows as expected. So if every A-side is getting hyped by HBO, you can't accuse them of only hyping white fighters, or overhyping white fighters relative to other groups. Because if every group gets hype no matter what, you have to ask yourself, well at least who deserves it most? And the performances GGG, Kovalev, and Loma put in on regular HBO vs B-sides, before they got to PPV, were among the most dominant of any fighter on that network the last decade. So if anyone deserved HBO's ever-present hype, it was them. But again, even so, they were denied opportunities in their primes, waited out until they got old, and then robbed anyway.

So what kind of pro-white network is HBO if the best white boxers are constantly being robbed on HBO, and the HBO commentators are sitting there defending it every time, calling nut shots "body shots" just to put the nail in the coffin of a white boxer's career when it wasn't even true? It's just like how these idiots call both Donald Trump and HBO white supremacists, yet HBO hates on Trump 24/7. Or it's just like these idiots call the American government white supremacist, yet the American government over the last 50 years has intentionally passed laws that have turned America from I'd guess a 90% white nation to a 60% white nation. It's a white supremacist government that actively works to make its country less white. Never heard of that before, but hey, it makes just as much sense as a white supremacist boxing network that is constantly defending the robbing of the best white boxers in the world, and the denying of opportunities to the best white boxers in their primes while simultaneously paying 2 million dollar massive chunks of their tiny boxing budget to televise Andre Ward against Edwin Rodriguez. If one makes sense, then I guess the other makes sense too... lol...

[Bardamu]

Sorry, but Spence is not p4p. he has one good win, Brook.

That's still one more than Crawford. Guys get on p4p lists all the time without a win as good as Brook. Usyk and Canelo probably have the best resumes. Loma's best win is Walters and that's about the same as Brook. Granted Rigo and Linares are still good. After Usyk, Canelo, and Loma who else is up there? Mikey's p4p and his best win is either Broner or Lipinets.


Most top fighters today only have one or two top opponents on their records. Granted we don't know for sure how good most of these guys are. But the way Spence destroyed Algieri and Bundu was impressive. Algieri went the distance against Pac. Bundu made it the distance with Thurman. And Spence dang near murdered them. Then he went to England, to Brook's back yard, the #2 ww at the time, and broke Brook's face. Literally broke his face. And followed that up with a destruction of Peterson. And his last fight, Ocampo isn't good. But for context, Ocampo is ranked higher than the Benadryl guy that TC just fought. And Spence took him out in the first round. With a body shot.

Spence hasn't earned top 3 p4p, but he's definitely top 10.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Most top fighters today only have one or two top opponents on their records. Granted we don't know for sure how good most of these guys are.

I totally agree, my friend. makes me lough when people compare this guys with Duran, Hearns, even Trinidad.

[kushking]

Loma already fought a name. Rigo has one of the best names in boxing. One of the most avoided names. When you say Pac and Mikey, it sounds like what you really want is for him to fight a name who is also a way bigger boxer than he is. I mean, Linares and Pedraza were already much bigger, but he's still beating them so now we have to look at even bigger ones? Because if you care about him beating top guys his actual size, in fair fights, then Loma already proved that to you multiple times vs Gary Russell Jr (who is so good he beat JoJo Diaz Jr a top young fighter who is much bigger than GRJ!), Nicolas Walters, and the much bigger Linares. Linares, Rigo, GRJ, and Pedraza all have elite hand speed too, so Loma is not afraid to fight fast guys all the time. Contrast that to for example Floyd who would almost always cherry pick slower Mexican style opponents, heck same with Ward for that matter (Froch, Abraham, Kessler, Barrera, Brand, even past prime Kovalev, none of these are dynamic, explosive athletes, all of them are slower, orthodox, 'basic' or as Floyd would call them, no special effects type of fighters). Loma on the other hand is fighting all styles out there. GRJ, Linares, Rigo, Pedraza, these guys are ALL special effects. Handspeed, angles, footwork, each of these guys brings a lot of those elements if not the whole thing.

So, that should be respected. Promoters of other A-sides will figure out which style their guy looks best against, and then they will match him repeatedly vs only that style in order to make their guy look good and market him to casual fans better. Loma is one of the few whose hype is actually real to such an extent that the promoters or matchmakers dont even have to worry about what style they put him in with, because he can adjust to anything, even elite speed coming back at him, which is the single most difficult thing to deal with in a boxing ring, speed that is. Loma is the ONLY one in the entire sport CHOOSING to fight guys with elite hand speed REPEATEDLY. And when he's not doing that, he's fighting 11 lbs bigger southpaw destroyers like Salido in his 2nd pro fight, or KO punchers like Walters or even Sosa coming off the Fortuna TKO (and only because none of the champions would fight Loma), or Loma is calling out the much bigger #1 counterPUNCHER in the sport Mikey, or ANOTHER opponent with speed AND power AND size in Miguel Berchelt just like Linares.

No one else in the sport is doing that. If Loma was an American welterweight doing this, he would be the biggest thing since Sugar Ray Robinson. But because he's a Ukrainian featherweight who was basically forced to move up to 135 to get interesting opportunities for his legacy, he's not in as good a position as he would be. But if you know the context behind what you're looking at, then it's very impressive.

As usual I don't even bother reading more than 1 sentence of the racist nuthugging essays written by" boxing stupid",too much blind stupidity & contradictory vitriol. Btw Rigo was a joke win as I said it was before it happened,only lomasexuals think that wasn't a complete mismatch,or that Rigo did anything but show up 2 get paid & stink up the joint to payback Arum.

[kushking]

Ummm he is P4P King with a new strap and that **** is eating you alive - GOOD!!!!!!

I guess that means im p4p king because my posts are eating you alive like a flesh eating virus in your uterus. Fckin lomasexuals are a bunch of clowns with your exaggerations & blatantly stupid fallacies such as loma being p4p #1. Go somewhere with that nonsense because nobodies buying it. & Your obviously too stupid to read that I said hes #1 in his division,too much loma semin stuck in your ears its rotting your brain.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I think Tim Bradley had a great boxer career but he sucks as a full time commentator he is better as a guest commentator every once in a while but there are better options out there, even Teddy Atlas was better

No. No Atlas. Ever.

Could you imagine him after Wilder / Fury, interviewing Wilder and doing to him what he did to Horn, telling him he lost, screaming that Deontay got a draw for trying hard, etc.? No. He's too biased.

I blow that HBO is gone, ESPN should get Foreman as a commentator. He kept it too real for Larry Merchant.

[KillaMane26]

Im not reading any of those "novels" above....

[KillaMane26]

Whoever discrediting Ward domination of the super 6 but hyping up Loma career can go to Hell...You and your BS Essay