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Old 07-11-2018, 10:34 AM #11
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you missed the point - she can't deal with these kids because she isn't allowed to discipline any of them.

i was a substitute teacher for a year while I was in law school, and i took a few jobs at some of these troubled schools. i can't imagine what it would be like to have to go day in and day out to teach at one of those schools.

a lot of these kids need a highly trained psychiatrist and some medication. not even the schools set up for troubled children can handle them.

and let's be real - im gonna call it like it is: all these schools are overwhelmingly black. there's plenty of districts with a lot of poor white kids, but they don't have nearly the same issues the inner-city schools do.

i've read where sometimes entire classes can't even pass the end of year tests! HS kids reading at a third grade level.. it's pitiful.

but instead of blacks turning inward and asking how they can address these problems - they wanna blame others - blame everything and everyone except their communities and themselves.
I didn't miss the point. I think she took none of the responsibility. Well she shouldn't be allowed to discipline beyond a certain point.

It's surely difficult to teach in certain schools, especially in poor, urban areas. The question is why? Is it just because the kids are bad, or is it a combination of factors, some individual, some societal, some systemic that caused this?

No they don't, that is because rural schools don't always have to deal with the same circumstances as inner city schools.

How would you know what conversations happen among blacks relative to education? Or what we take responsibility for? Surely you shouldn't base your opinion purely on discussions you see on TV. Conversations happen outside of TV which you are not privy to.

The problem is caused by multiple factors, some of the causes are outside the black community. We need to address all of them. That said, if you fail as a teacher, you should accept some of the responsibility.

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Old 07-11-2018, 10:36 AM #12
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Yeah how dare she expect these kids to have any type of home training and manners.
Come on, that is a stretch. We don't even know what the real problem is from watching the video. She could be over exaggerating.

Like I said, she made fair points, but she has to take some responsibility when kids fail.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:57 AM #13
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Come on, that is a stretch. We don't even know what the real problem is from watching the video. She could be over exaggerating.

Like I said, she made fair points, but she has to take some responsibility when kids fail.
I agree that teachers need to take responsibility at times but when you're in a district that restricts what can be done as well as not implementing policy to help resolve behavior problems then the teachers hands are tied. Has to start at home. I wasn't the model student but I knew not to act up in school cause I knew I would have to go home and see my father. I actually just wrote a paper on behavior problems in school and recent studies done on uniform policies coupled with in-school programs to help kids. Stuff is crazy nowadays
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:01 AM #14
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Whatever the cause of the dysfunction in these schools, a lot of parents are looking to join a home school network/association. Many parents don't want the state teaching their kids and don't want their kids in a dysfunctional environment.

This is a home school association in California. [Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]

The Teachers Unions are trying to shut down homes schools and trying to get the various state legislatures to outlaw it, or worse, they are trying to help pass a Federal Law outlawing it in 50 states.
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Let me guess, an inner city school, right?
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:04 AM #16
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I agree that teachers need to take responsibility at times but when you're in a district that restricts what can be done as well as not implementing policy to help resolve behavior problems then the teachers hands are tied. Has to start at home. I wasn't the model student but I knew not to act up in school cause I knew I would have to go home and see my father. I actually just wrote a paper on behavior problems in school and recent studies done on uniform policies coupled with in-school programs to help kids. Stuff is crazy nowadays
I understand what you are saying. It is a combination of student and teacher in most cases. But there are always cases where the students are completely out of control.

what is interesting is from the video, almost everyone looks to be white. SO maybe this isn't an inner city school. Notice how some posters automatically assume it is.
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Whatever the cause of the dysfunction in these schools, a lot of parents are looking to join a home school network/association. Many parents don't want the state teaching their kids and don't want their kids in a dysfunctional environment.

This is a home school association in California.

The Teachers Unions are trying to shut down homes schools and trying to get the various state legislatures to outlaw it, or worse, they are trying to help pass a Federal Law outlawing it in 50 states.
Teachers do have some responsibility when it comes to the situation, simply because its their job, but it's hard for a teacher to gain experience in the first place if there isn't a system to ensure students pay attention. It becomes extremely uphill, and teachers shouldn't really be faulted for it, despite the responsibility they have to take on just because.

As for homeschooling, while it works for some people, you have to be careful with it, as sometimes students don't learn all they should. Perhaps it could be adapted by using computer programs to make sure content is covered.
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Just arm teachers. That will solve the discipline problem.
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you missed the point - she can't deal with these kids because she isn't allowed to discipline any of them.

i was a substitute teacher for a year while I was in law school, and i took a few jobs at some of these troubled schools. i can't imagine what it would be like to have to go day in and day out to teach at one of those schools.

a lot of these kids need a highly trained psychiatrist and some medication. not even the schools set up for troubled children can handle them.

and let's be real - im gonna call it like it is: all these schools are overwhelmingly black. there's plenty of districts with a lot of poor white kids, but they don't have nearly the same issues the inner-city schools do.

i've read where sometimes entire classes can't even pass the end of year tests! HS kids reading at a third grade level.. it's pitiful.

but instead of blacks turning inward and asking how they can address these problems - they wanna blame others - blame everything and everyone except their communities and themselves.
Dude that dumb sh^t racist Dunn is always going to say some dumb **** in regards to discipline and integrity. Heís a piece of **** racist liberal. Pay no attention to him.
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I understand what you are saying. It is a combination of student and teacher in most cases. But there are always cases where the students are completely out of control.

what is interesting is from the video, almost everyone looks to be white. SO maybe this isn't an inner city school. Notice how some posters automatically assume it is.
Why are you alive?

Your parents really fked up man. I hope you donít have children.
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