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Nathan Gorman 8 61.54%
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:32 PM #11
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I think I would lean slightly towards Gorman. Just stylistically he looks like he would be a nightmare for Dubois due to his looseness and the freedom with which he boxes.

Dubois is very well schooled, but he looks tense. That said he has an excellent jab and timing and he does a great job of taking the centre ring and pushing his opponents back behind that jab. If Gorman uses too much movement he could find himself pushed towards the ropes where Dubois size and power come more into it.

I like both and think both will go far. Shame that Warren doesnt want to match them until 2020
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:36 PM #12
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I think so too. I can't see Warren making it.

Dubois looks like he has real power but still very raw. You can see he isn't a natural boxer like Gorman. He has no real amateur background only a few pro fights. He's just a guy that is learning his craft on the job. He needs to be moved up gradually.

I think it would be a mistake to put him in with someone like Gorman right now. Gorman should be looking at British/Euro titles.
Dubois does have a long am background he just doesnt have a lot of senior experience. He has been boxing since he was a kid and was an international standard youth amateur.

I do think he is a bit stiff, but im not sure its as bad as some are making out. Its more of a Joe Louis type stiffness. He has a very rigid but strong structure to his movement and footwork, which has its pros and cons. He only really looks bad sometimes when he is going for the kill looking for the wide hooks, before that, in centre ring behind his jab he looks a monster.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:56 PM #13
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I was told Maurice Hooker was a bum the other day. I was adamant O'Hara would beat Taylor. I should be without an arm and a leg for picking Haye the first time round vs Bellew. I wish Boxing were that simple.



I agree. Would be too much too soon for DD. I see Gorman as the more natural fighter. DD has some ripening and refining to do.
If you picked Haye over Bellew either time you are a moron.
I can elaborate on why if you like.

Why would you think ohara could beat Taylor?

And Hooker is a bum.
I'm guessing you never saw him fight before flanagan?

flanagan was one of the fakest champions in boxinh history....
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Dubois does have a long am background he just doesnt have a lot of senior experience. He has been boxing since he was a kid and was an international standard youth amateur.
I stand corrected (said the man in the orthopaedic shoes)

I thought he just had very limited boxing background the way some people such as Warren talk about him.

I've always actually been impressed with Dubois balance when throwing shots. He often seems perfectly balanced and in position to throw, he looks very well schooled in that respect. So if he's been boxing since a kid as you said, it makes a bit more sense.

I'd probably still give him a few tougher opponents that might take him rounds before fighting Gorman though. I could see Gorman being a little bit too savvy for him right now. There's a reason why Gorman and Hatton seem to really fancy that fight at this moment.

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Old 06-12-2018, 10:15 PM #15
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If you picked Haye over Bellew either time you are a moron.
I can elaborate on why if you like.

Why would you think ohara could beat Taylor?

And Hooker is a bum.
I'm guessing you never saw him fight before flanagan?

flanagan was one of the fakest champions in boxinh history....
Account created May 2018, so it's hard for me to know whether you picked Bellew the first time round. If you did fair play to you. Please do elaborate?.

I picked Ohara as more of a tribal pick as I followed his early day's (& Coach). Taylor went 8 rounds with Alfonso Olvera prior and looked stiff. That fight changed my whole approach to Boxing in a very good way. I'm not immune to the tribal pick though (see Eubank Jr). However with my new approach it's impossible for me to ever put money on O'Hara or Eubank vs a Taylor or a Groves, for one very important reason.

Re: Hooker. He's not a bloody bum!. Champion of the World. Been mixing it at American Champ level for years. A Boxer mixing it at British level for year's isn't a bum. Nobody gave him a shot, let's be honest you thought Flanagan would win?.
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Dubois does have a long am background he just doesnt have a lot of senior experience. He has been boxing since he was a kid and was an international standard youth amateur.

I do think he is a bit stiff, but im not sure its as bad as some are making out. Its more of a Joe Louis type stiffness. He has a very rigid but strong structure to his movement and footwork, which has its pros and cons. He only really looks bad sometimes when he is going for the kill looking for the wide hooks, before that, in centre ring behind his jab he looks a monster.
Amateur pedigree vs Gypsy pedigree. It's my kryptonite. My brain just exploding trying to think of the possibilities lol. Good write up in the first post, I've lost my mojo trying to explain my thought's on here. "Ripening & Refining" is all I've got lol.

But yeah Gorman's looseness >>> DD stiffness.
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Account created May 2018, so it's hard for me to know whether you picked Bellew the first time round. If you did fair play to you. Please do elaborate?.

I picked Ohara as more of a tribal pick as I followed his early day's (& Coach). Taylor went 8 rounds with Alfonso Olvera prior and looked stiff. That fight changed my whole approach to Boxing in a very good way. I'm not immune to the tribal pick though (see Eubank Jr). However with my new approach it's impossible for me to ever put money on O'Hara or Eubank vs a Taylor or a Groves, for one very important reason.

Re: Hooker. He's not a bloody bum!. Champion of the World. Been mixing it at American Champ level for years. A Boxer mixing it at British level for year's isn't a bum. Nobody gave him a shot, let's be honest you thought Flanagan would win?.

I picked Bellew because of what I saw in Hayes comeback fights. He had bad stamina even in his prime.


I don't think ohara is complete garbage. But it was obvious Taylor is very good early on.


I've watched Hooker since earlier in his career. He is trash.
Already lost to bums and perez.

Perez wasn't even close. Hooker did not win 1 round.
honestly.

And even other fights i saw that he did win. he was trash.

I don't have a high opinion of flanagan either.
I honestly had no idea who would win that.
I admit that.
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Two young upcoming HW's who may a big impact in the division. Who wins & why?.
this will not happen for at least 2 years why bother talking about them until they fight somebody who has a pulse.

Both carefully protected heavyweights
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this will not happen for at least 2 years why bother talking about them until they fight somebody who has a pulse.

Both carefully protected heavyweights
good point....

HOWEVER Gorm might look for the fight.

He probably knows he will end up losing soon and will just want a payday.
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My pick is Gorman because he's looking as good as Dubois but against better opposition. He is also very confident in himself of beating Daniel and I see that as significant because I know they have sparred many rounds with each other.
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