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Old 02-01-2019, 11:16 AM #21
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lol...by the time canelo was 27 or whatever he was....he had fought the best WW in the world...and the supposed best MW in the world..within 3 years

meanwhile golovkins best name on the resume is that kid lol

I cant believe people have the nerve to question canelo.....when canelo fought Floyd he was a WW.....when he fought golovkin he was just coming into MW...his first fight at 160 actually.....ill call it his 2nd to be fair since he fought bumvez jr first.....2 fights into a new class and hes fighting a p4p guy who they say is the best in the division......

meanwhile golovkins record is flawless against C level MWs....but 1-1-1 when he finally stepped up comp with 0 ko's

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Old 02-01-2019, 11:19 AM #22
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Old 02-01-2019, 11:57 AM #23
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did GB see GGG back then as too big a threat then?
if so, why take the floyd fight though?

or did ggg "need to build his profile more" excuse?

i had GGG winning both fights, so what would of happened if they fought a few years earlier?
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The simple answer is that Alvarez was a 154lb fighter still filling into his frame and, for all the talk and bragging by Golovkin's camp, Golovkin still has never fought below (or above for that matter) 160lbs.

Floyd was the biggest draw in the sport, a solid-sized 147lber, and Floyd would've likely been willing to go to 154lbs for the fight (Alvarez volunteering the two pounds to help, he believed, make the fight was a concession he didn't need to give, but Floyd made him pay for it anyway).

Golovkin fought in the amateurs as a 20-year old 165lb fighter, turned pro at 160lb, and stayed there and is still there for 15 years at this point.

Canelo's a thickly built guy, but it's not some impossibility to see him still being able to make 154 ok and fight well, even now. I doubt Golovkin gets down to 154 all that well, especially to face a fighter, big in his own right, who can make the weight with all the fight still in him.

There's a reason why Golovkin was matched the way he's been matched.
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Two reasons:

1. The money for fighting Floyd was excellent and the fight helped raise Canelo's profile whereas a too-early Golovkin fight wouldn't have been as beneficial or profitable to him.

2. Floyd wasn't as big a risk in the ring. If Golovkin, who was more experiences and known for knocking everybody out, had gotten an emphatic KO Canelo's stock would drop like the ball on new year's. Floyd wasn't likely to knock Canelo out.
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lol...by the time canelo was 27 or whatever he was....he had fought the best WW in the world...and the supposed best MW in the world..within 3 years

meanwhile golovkins best name on the resume is that kid lol

I cant believe people have the nerve to question canelo.....when canelo fought Floyd he was a WW.....when he fought golovkin he was just coming into MW...his first fight at 160 actually.....ill call it his 2nd to be fair since he fought bumvez jr first.....2 fights into a new class and hes fighting a p4p guy who they say is the best in the division......

meanwhile golovkins record is flawless against C level MWs....but 1-1-1 when he finally stepped up comp with 0 ko's

nice try bum
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I have no idea how ya'll try to give GGG so much credit and slam Canelo and Floyd..is this opposite day?
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This thread is too much lol
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I have no idea how ya'll try to give GGG so much credit and slam Canelo and Floyd..is this opposite day?
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GGG became relevant when he beat Lemiux in 2014, when he was 34 years old.

So, the only person who waited for GGG to get old is GGG himself, presumably to keep losses of his record


...as has been seen, when he fought at top level for 3 fights, he won drew one lost one. His projected record if he had fought at top level since he was say 7 wins, 7 losses, a few draws.

Its obvious why GGG didnt fight top opponents for so long, he didnt want a string of losses.


Now, once again - what are asking of Canelo who fought an ATG when he was in his early 20? Are we seriously blaming Canelo for GGG not stepping up til he was 34?
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Moretti wasn’t in the mood or had higher expectation to not see Canelo do a SRL in the first bout. This is why Moretti enjoyed Canelo’s style in the 2nd.

The legacy and history of boxing shows 2 things when two different class fighters meet, and of course if you factor in age and experience then you contextualize it for your argument.

Most of us boxing fans that admire guts, glory and intestinal fortitude let alone elite style, KNOW that Canelo vs GGG 1 was an INTERESTING match. Both fighters displayed different styles unlike before.

Sugar Ray Leonard was a mover around the ring, and back in his day commentary would verbally illustrate what SRL was doing without problem. Why? Because constant lateral movement has existed for ages, and we’ll never know how commentary had insinuated his different “run” movements for fights like Duran, Hearns, or Hagler. I like to believe that the Gold Olympian had always been given a pass nonetheless.

We need to all agree that Champions meeting in the middle for a catchweight is nothing new, especially a title bout. Canelo had invited GGG to a catchweight but Golovkin refused, and most likely because of his mgmt. GGG seems to be a character who is always game, but we’ll never know. All we do know is that he SAID 154-168 was easy for him. Now, even that, we’ll never know if he was always coached to say that. However, given that he has said that casually without pausing from interviews dating back to 2013, I’d like to believe that some had to do with him. In this case I’m referring to Canelo or even Cotto.

As many said other champs have made concessions before. That’s the nature of contracts. The only problem with GGG is that you can’t say things building your legacy and not own up to them. Now with his new mgmt, I’mthinking his new paths were inspired by his previous mgmt and revelations, and we’ll never know, maybe one day GGG will unveil stuff that we didn’t know before.

Bernard Hopkins gave Oscar a catchweight. Surely GBP were the fundamentals to had mentioned a catch for GGG long before due to Oscar and Bhop alone.

But all this doesn’t matter. People focus on the wrong things such as the OP.

The reality is that many Canelo haters don’t want to acknowledge or pretend that 115-113 means a close fight and in REALITY could go either way.

Let’s take Dave Moretti, who is the God Father or scoring imo, and let’s reflect that to the OP. In the end, people will see my point.

Dave, who did SRL and Hagler with his card while another also had a 118-110 and another for Hagler. Moretti also did Bhop vs Oscar. And of course, Dave did both Canelo GGG fights with his cards going 115-113 to either in both fights. The point is experience from Moretti’s eyes. The old chap has seen so many elite level fights and styles from greats proves his margin of error to the best, close, and even either way, with other judges showing contrast with all bout bouts mentioned.

It could be that Dave didn’t like Canelo’s style in the first fight cause he saw that with SRL with Hagler, and instead would’ve liked to have seen the style from Canelo2, which he eventually gave it to Canelo. So the thing is, we’ll never know, and I give these godfather judges benefit of doubt beyond the point system, prize fighting has its history of dynamics and glory, so yes, even judges can fluctuate bias styles for different moods.

Had Moretti given Canelo or GGG wider cards then we could rationalize debates for robbery, but his eyes have the most experience with ATG Legends. Many might say bullshut “you don’t know for a fact” that Moretti was objective...

Then I go with the eye test alone and see that Canelo and GGG are World Class fighters. Many Canelo haters say that Lara beat Canelo. Lara is the constant mover, Moretti had Canelo beating Lara on a close card. So again, one might think that in huge prize fights that a judge could expect more, and sometimes its not always going to be a definite SRL card who also moved a lot. If Canelo didn’t make an effort to blast Lara’s body throughout the bout it would be different. Same thing with Moretti giving Canelo four rounds against Floyd, which means had Canelo had 2 more rounds on his A game or started earlier to head hunt instead of box, then Moretti might have given a 114-114 card to May vs Canelo. It’s that easy, and that’s the nature of swing rounds. Canelo was beaten by Floyd, and imo not because of 152, but because Canelo and the Reynoso’s chose to box- ridiculous error in thinking when if IN DOUBT (and acknowledging it), just fight like Maidana instead, because Floyd wouldn’t be able to hurt Canelo imho.

Now regarding Golovkin, at most times it seems he can no wrong. He said he was going to fight “Mexican style” yet abandoned it, and we didn’t get a Chavez vs Camacho style bout. I randomly stare that because Chavez was always the come forward fighter even when he moved up in weight.

Imo, from Moretti’s eyes, Canelo should’ve done more in bout 1, not what Gennady should’ve done. Meaning, had Canelo thrown more combination punches in the first fight, regardless if they could’ve been blocked by GGG’s guard, then I think Moretti would’ve given it to Canelo or had it a Draw. Canelo’s style was too awkward for Moretti. He didn’t want to see a Canelo do a SRL fight, nothing more. Second bout, Moretti was pleased with what he saw.

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