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Old 01-28-2019, 01:50 PM #21
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Amateurs is anecdotal **** at best. I only give enough of a **** to express how I don't give a ****.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:55 PM #22
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I thought this forum was long done talking about GGG?
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:59 PM #23
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true GGG is yesterdays news, timeline is -

2014 wins first title in ring with KO of Lemiux

2015-2016 3 defences of that title - one top contender, one former titlist from 2 divisions below, one nobody

2017 Draw with guy from division below

2018 Beaten by guy from division below

good run, all in all. Dont knock 4 IBF defences, thats on par with the great Jeff Lacy. Although Jeff didnt make half of them to lower division guys.

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Old 01-28-2019, 02:00 PM #24
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I thought this forum was long done talking about GGG?
Canela fan's trying to keep his name out there. At this point the only way GGG should take a 3rd fight if its outside of Nevada.

You know in Nevada they are paid up very well. Only reason Pac didn't get robbed in Vegas (even thou his LA crib did) is because they couldn't.

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Old 01-28-2019, 02:05 PM #25
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Bro, Ray does not have two official losses on his Am's record. There is no proof (official) that Ray lost to Billy Graham or Pasquale Pesca. Look deeper.

You're comparing record keeping from the 40's compared to 80 f¨cking years later like it had any bearing on this argument? Record keeping from almost 100 years later should be the same? Are you on drugs son?



I know about the Am's, lived it. How about you? How many fights you got? Zero, that's right. How many world or domestic champs have you trained and sparred with side-by-side? Zero? Oo that's right, I forgot!

What 11 year-old kid is fighting in tournaments that are 3-5 days long? The math still doesn't add up you f¨ckwit.

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2000 Brandenburg Cup: 2 fights
2000 World Jr Champs: 5 fights
2000 total = 7* fights (*partial)

2001 Grand Prix Tournament: 3 fights
2001 East-Asian Games: 3 fights
2001 total = 6 fights

2002 Chemistry Cup: 3 fights
2002 Kings Cup: 1 fight
2002 World Cup: 4 fights
2002 Asian Games: 4 fights
2002 total = 12 fights

2003 Ahmet Comert: 1 fight
2003 Dual USA-KZK: 1 fight
2003 World Champs: 5 fights
2003 total = 7 fights

2004 Asian Champs: 3 fights
2004 Olympic Test Event: 3 fights
2004 Golden Belt: 1 fight
2004 Olympic Games: 4 fights
2004 total: 12 fights

2005 Chowdry Cup: 1 fight
2005 Chemie Pokal: 1 fight
2005 World Cup: 3 fights
2005 Amber Gloves: 1 fight
2005 World Champs: 2 fights
2005 total: 8 fights

7*, 6, 12, 7, 12, 8 fights per year is what we have documentated.

So when does the 50 fights/year start? In the partial record I've provided, he's got nowhere near 50 fights/year, not even 50% for half that figure!!! They better start in 2000 right before my partial record shows because if not, new math will raise the water level.

Where is your link to GGG's entire Amateur career or any AM's career from the Eastern Bloc? Lets see your resource materials.

You should do a post on every other professional fighter.

Good luck finding an entire record for any older fighters.
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:05 PM #26
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Guy has no idea how the amateur system works. I was boxing in Cuba for a year and can say there definitely exist plenty of guys who have many hundreds of bouts under their belt.
I got plenty of Am's fights. How many fights you got?

Define hundreds please. It makes a difference when you have a fighter with 185 vs 240 vs 350.

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Beyond plausible. That’s how the Am’s work. You’ll have a tournament with 4-6 bouts in a day/weekend.
No it doesn't. Can you show me any tournament on Earth from the last 30 years that has 4-6 bouts in a night or weekend? GGG is too young for the old AAU's where fighters fought 3x/night. That ended in the early 80's.

GGG wasn't fighting multiple guys/night.

If he did, why doesn't his partial record show it?

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You should do a post on every other professional fighter.

Good luck finding an entire record for any older fighters.
You're suggestion sounds very time consuming. Do you want to pay me? I bill at $150/hour. Would you like payment options?
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:49 PM #28
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Seeing as he got beat by the first elite he faced, its actually no surprise its fictitious. He still has a stellar amateur record though, you cannot take that away from him even if he couldnt fully transfer that success to pro boxing.
Id say hes pretty successful at pro level. If you try to say otherwise, youre just trying to discredit him.
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Id say hes pretty successful at pro level. If you try to say otherwise, youre just trying to discredit him.
I am saying that he appears to be an elite amateur, but never made it as an elite MW pro, though he is solidly world class.

You can decide based on the evidence thathe couldnt beat an elite guy but beat world class ok, therefore categorically making him below elite but above world class.
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I am saying that he appears to be an elite amateur, but never made it as an elite MW pro, though he is solidly world class.

You can decide based on the evidence thathe couldnt beat an elite guy but beat world class ok, therefore categorically making him below elite but above world class.
Fair enough.
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