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Old 01-11-2019, 11:20 AM #1
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Default Who are some of the best defensive fighters who didn't use the philly shell?

Floyd, Pernell, Toney, Benitez etc, it seems like all of the all-time greats used at least some kind of variation of it.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:32 AM #2
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Floyd, Pernell, Toney, Benitez etc, it seems like all of the all-time greats used at least some kind of variation of it.
Reckon that depends on your terms.

To me, as in in my day
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, Archie Moore didn't shell he used a cross arm defense. I reckon it's the same damn thing but when asked who uses shells and who don't that's what jumps to mind.

More don't use a shell, that there be'uh cross.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:47 PM #3
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The boxers you named didn't just use the shoulder roll, like all great defensive boxer they utilized more than that, if you're looking for guys that rarely used it though or it wasn't there main defence then

Miguel Lora, Marlon Starling, Winky Wright, Azumah Nelson, Roberto Duran, Willie Pep, Hilario Zapata, Jose Napoles, JCC, Bernard Hopkins, Freddie Welsh, there's plenty.
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A decent question.
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Floyd, Pernell, Toney, Benitez etc, it seems like all of the all-time greats used at least some kind of variation of it.


Marchiagano gave you some very good feedback. It would make this excellent topic better if you defined what you call the Philly Shell. Right off the cuff I can see confusion between the Shell and the Shoulder Roll...Certainly what Moore used (As Marchiagano says) bares little resemblance to someone like James Toney (my example), much less Mayweather.

There are at least two sets of movements here to consider: You have positioning the arms and putting the weight back, then you have a whole set if shoulder movements that include angles, protecting the chin, and...counter punching.
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The greatest defensive fighters such as Loughran, Tunney, B Leonard, J Johnson all used a wide varied techniques that defined classic boxing. The ability to parry, slip, block, use footwork and then counter to vital areas of an opponents body.
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Marchiagano gave you some very good feedback. It would make this excellent topic better if you defined what you call the Philly Shell. Right off the cuff I can see confusion between the Shell and the Shoulder Roll...Certainly what Moore used (As Marchiagano says) bares little resemblance to someone like James Toney (my example), much less Mayweather.

There are at least two sets of movements here to consider: You have positioning the arms and putting the weight back, then you have a whole set if shoulder movements that include angles, protecting the chin, and...counter punching.
Philly Shell is just another name for the shoulder roll defense, it's got no connection to the cross arm defense and has never been used for it, can see where the mix up could be made though with the names.

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Floyd, Pernell, Toney, Benitez etc, it seems like all of the all-time greats used at least some kind of variation of it.
--- Chin tucked is basic boxing 101 hardly confined to any style.

Benitez relied on his reflexes, and as those slowed, he became a sitting duck. Two Ton Toney was always a face first plodder. Only became defensive when he larded into the heavies, and even then took unholy punishment, the reason he's barely intelligible these days.
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Good question here!
Wladimir Klitschko, Carlos Monzon relied on distance control.. and some(more than some in terms of Wlad) clinching to keep opponents at bay and in result, were getting touched very little.

Luis Manuel Rodriguez was very good boxer, He had more of a classic, stand-up style and relied on footwork and catching shots.

Sven Ottke, like him or not - but He was very hard to hit clean.
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Philly Shell is just another name for the shoulder roll defense, it's got no connection to the cross arm defense and has never been used for it, can see where the mix up could be made though with the names.
There is another "shell" that Cus taught... Winky Wright used it to my understanding, but I don't know what this was called if it was not called a 'shell' of one sort or another?
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