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View Poll Results: Oleksandr Usyk vs David Haye At Cruiserweight
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Old 12-25-2017, 07:15 AM #21
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Haye's KO ratio at Cruiser was around 97%, Usyk has 1 win over a boxer with a KO ratio above 70% and that was an obese journeyman.

Huck has a 65% KO ratio and just 2 stoppages in the past 5 years. The general consensus was that he was a shot fighter as well.

Usyk has been shown to be vulnerable to counter punches, Mchunu (50% KO ratio) managed to tag him clean quite a few times and hurt him with a right counter in their fight. Mchunu is a VERY poor man's Haye and you could see areas where Usyk would have some serious problems.


Usyk has also shown to be a relatively slow starter, he lost the first 4 rounds against Hunter, can't do that against Haye.

-Mchunu had been recently violently KO'd by the other African Bellew had beaten and it took Usyk 9 rounds to stop him.
-Huck ate a ton of clean punches, 10 rounds to stop him.
-Hunter went a full 12 even when he was exhausted.

I don't see him having the power to stop Haye, Usyk is an accumulation puncher and often takes punches to land his, Haye is all wrong for him stylistically. Mormeck's style was better suited against Haye. Haye makes himself a very small target and that was very difficult against a 5'11 Mormeck, Mormeck also possessed greater 1 punch power than Usyk.

Usyk has the edge in cardio by far but wouldn't be able to use his normal work rate against a guy with a 97% KO ratio.


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Haye's KO ratio at Cruiser was around 97%, Usyk has 1 win over a boxer with a KO ratio above 70% and that was an obese journeyman.
Whilst David Haye has never beaten a Ukrainian boxer with an Olympic gold medal. So what's your point?


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Huck has a 65% KO ratio and just 2 stoppages in the past 5 years. The general consensus was that he was a shot fighter as well.
That doesn't matter. Punching power is a last thing a boxer loses and it's likely he still possessed knockout power. Huck landed some powerful right hands (which knocked other opponents out) but Usyk barely even flinched.

Glowacki is also a good power puncher and Usyk still didn't have problems taking the few punches he got hit by from Glowacki.


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Usyk has been shown to be vulnerable to counter punches, Mchunu (50% KO ratio) managed to tag him clean quite a few times and hurt him with a right counter in their fight.
The only reason why Usyk got caught more than he usually does by Mchunu was because he chose to box Mchunu on the inside, rather than outside on purpose and he still beat the shorter boxer who specializes in inside fighting at his own game / style. David Haye isn't even an inside fighter to begin with. If Usyk chose to box on the outside, Mchunu would barely have landing anything significant.

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Mchunu is a VERY poor man's Haye and you could see areas where Usyk would have some serious problems.
Nonsense! Mchunu is as similar to David Haye as he is to Prince Naseem Hamed. There are very little stylistic similarities between David Haye and Mchunu.

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Usyk has also shown to be a relatively slow starter, he lost the first 4 rounds against Hunter, can't do that against Haye.
That's because he uses those rounds to figure out his opponents. In doing so, he still remains defensively responsible and doesn't get hit by too many significant punches cleanly that he doesn't see coming.

Of course, Haye has a puncher's chance and it would be retarded for anybody to write him off. However, it's more likely that Usyk withstands the early barrage from Haye than vice versa. If they fought 10 times, I could see Haye getting 2 or 3 knockouts in the early rounds but getting out-boxed in every other bout and losing by wide decision or via late stoppage.

But it's true that Haye's best chances are early on in the bout.

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I don't see him having the power to stop Haye
He doesn't have to stop him. He can outpoint him and if he doesn't have one punch power to KO Haye immediately, he can tire Haye out as Haye has shown vulnerable stamina against boxers with much less stamina than Usyk.

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Usyk is an accumulation puncher and often takes punches to land his,
Yeah, he gets caught here and there because he takes a lot of risks to land punches. So what? He may get caught once after landing 10 punches on his opponent. What's the big deal?

Usyk has very rarely shown signs of taking sustained damage from any opponent he has faced so far. He has barely suffered from visible facial damage against any opponent. Or body damage where his opponent made him tired or fatigued. Getting caught by one or two punches here and there means nothing. It is boxing. Everyone gets hit.

On the other hand, David Haye has shown the inferior defense and has been hit more frequently.


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Usyk has the edge in cardio by far but wouldn't be able to use his normal work rate against a guy with a 97% KO ratio.
Based on what? That's like me arguing David Haye isn't going to be able to land his power punches as he usually does on someone as slick as Oleksandr Usyk (that's more likely to happen than what you're claiming).

David Haye's knockout record past the 7th round is also terrible. He has barely stopped anybody after that period. Once Usyk takes him to the late rounds, that's when he most likely drowns Haye by either exposing his inferior stamina and stops him, or wins a comfortable decision.

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Haye is more explosive, that's it.


We've seen Usyk is the superior technician and much more mentally stable.


It's pretty obvious that Haye is a live threat, but the smart money is on Usyk.
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This sums it up beautifully. If Haye can't stop Usyk early, he's in for a beatdown.
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